bluethread wrote:
So, what makes your subjective judgement any better than anyone else's?
Which subjective judgement is better is in itself, another subjective judgement. As such, it is my preference for my judgement that makes it better than someone else's.
What about none human babies. Why should it only apply to human babes?
It doesn't necessarily applies
only to human babes, other species may apply too. Human babes were simply what I had in mind when I brought it up.
Is this just all based on a visceral response? If that is the case, everyone should be a vegetarian, because I have a negative visceral response to butchering animals.
Yes, it boils down to a visceral response. As for everyone ought to be a vegetarian, sure, if that is how you feel, then it
is how you feel.
I get your point, however, large groups do not turn on a dime, unless there is some overwhelming threat. When a bomb goes of in crowd, heaven help any baby who is in the crowd. Barring that, it is much harder to convince a society with a social contract the opposes the torture of babies to decide to become for the torture of babies. An individual is much more flexible.
Granted, it's all but impossible to convince a society see torture of babies as acceptable. But that doesn't change my question, as I asked
IF your society see torturing babies as fine, is it fine? You said "To me, no. To that society, yes" well, since I was asking you specifically, the "to me" bit is redundant, the "to that society, yes" bit is irrelevant. Your answer then is a simple "no" it is not okay even if your society see it as fine.
To me, no. To that society, yes. I don't understand how affirming personal subjective morality determines what is and is not right for a given society.
The point is person subjective morality determines what is and is not right full stop, even if your society has decided that baby torture is okay, it still isn't okay.
It tells me what I think, but if someone likes to torture babies, his personal subjective morality says just the opposite. Without an agreed upon standard, there is no social morality. It is just a matter of everyone doing what is right in his own eyes.
It
is just a matter of everyone doing what is right in his own eyes, it just happens that a lot of us agree on what is right in our own eyes; but that's just a happenstance, because as I've been prompting you to say: even if the agreed upon standard says baby torture is okay, it still isn't okay.