God and Sin

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 18 here:

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I suspect that comment stems from ignorance of the concept of sin against God and its consequences.
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For debate:

Please show a god considers anything to be a "sin".

Are those who claim to possess such knowledge, but are incapable of showing such to be anything more than their own personal beliefs, guilty of any "ignorance" in this regard?

[Rkrause]

From Post 49:

Then surely you can present an "eyewitness account" that confirms the veracity of the statement laid out in the OP.

Leviticus 20
New International Version (NIV)

I 'preciate that Rkrause'd present what he considers to be eye-witness testimony. I'm at a complete loss as to how we may confirm the passages to be eyewitness testimony.

But let's have us some fun...

20 The Lord said to Moses...

Why should we believe Moses?

If I said God told me to tell you to send me a million dollars, adjusted for inflation, why ain't I getting rich?

Notice, none of these passages allow us to verify their veracity, all they do is set out the typical bigotry of the day.

When's the last time Rkrause did him some stoning of some of these folks these passages say need them some stoning? If Rkrause has participated in such, one of y'all call the authorities. If he hasn't done him some of this stoning, I contend he's in contradiction of the very "proofs" he presents, and should be disregarded as just another preacher - a preacher who doesn't practice what he preaches, and don't that beat all.

I am under the New Covenant not the OC also I am not a Jew.

You asked for eye witness proof written in the Bible not what I personal do. Stay on topic please.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 55:

I am under the New Covenant not the OC also I am not a Jew.

I'm uncertain about what this has to do with the topic at hand.

You asked for eye witness proof written in the Bible not what I personal do. Stay on topic please.

When you become a moderator, perhaps I'll heed your calls to stay on topic when I challenge the claims you present. As it stands, I asked you why we should believe your source when it attributes stuff to Moses.

So, why should we believe the Bible has accurately recorded Moses' words, and why should we believe Moses in the first place?

Who is this Moses? Do we have his actual writings, or do we have stories passed down through untold generations?

[Goat]

From Post 49:

Then surely you can present an "eyewitness account" that confirms the veracity of the statement laid out in the OP.

Leviticus 20
New International Version (NIV)

I 'preciate that Rkrause'd present what he considers to be eye-witness testimony. I'm at a complete loss as to how we may confirm the passages to be eyewitness testimony.

But let's have us some fun...

20 The Lord said to Moses...

Why should we believe Moses?

If I said God told me to tell you to send me a million dollars, adjusted for inflation, why ain't I getting rich?

Notice, none of these passages allow us to verify their veracity, all they do is set out the typical bigotry of the day.

When's the last time Rkrause did him some stoning of some of these folks these passages say need them some stoning? If Rkrause has participated in such, one of y'all call the authorities. If he hasn't done him some of this stoning, I contend he's in contradiction of the very "proofs" he presents, and should be disregarded as just another preacher - a preacher who doesn't practice what he preaches, and don't that beat all.

I am under the New Covenant not the OC also I am not a Jew.

You asked for eye witness proof written in the Bible not what I personal do. Stay on topic please.

Uh.. you didn't present any eye witnesses.. you presented the claim for an eye witness..

Now, if the story was 'I saw god'.. then, that would allegedly be an eyewitness account. But someone writing 'Moses saw god'. that is hearsay.

[catalyst]

From Post 49:

Then surely you can present an "eyewitness account" that confirms the veracity of the statement laid out in the OP.

Leviticus 20
New International Version (NIV)

I 'preciate that Rkrause'd present what he considers to be eye-witness testimony. I'm at a complete loss as to how we may confirm the passages to be eyewitness testimony.

But let's have us some fun...

20 The Lord said to Moses...

Why should we believe Moses?

If I said God told me to tell you to send me a million dollars, adjusted for inflation, why ain't I getting rich?

Notice, none of these passages allow us to verify their veracity, all they do is set out the typical bigotry of the day.

When's the last time Rkrause did him some stoning of some of these folks these passages say need them some stoning? If Rkrause has participated in such, one of y'all call the authorities. If he hasn't done him some of this stoning, I contend he's in contradiction of the very "proofs" he presents, and should be disregarded as just another preacher - a preacher who doesn't practice what he preaches, and don't that beat all.

I am under the New Covenant not the OC also I am not a Jew.

You asked for eye witness proof written in the Bible not what I personal do. Stay on topic please.

Uh.. you didn't present any eye witnesses.. you presented the claim for an eye witness..

Now, if the story was 'I saw god'.. then, that would allegedly be an eyewitness account. But someone writing 'Moses saw god'. that is hearsay.

If it is even here say. Didn't Ezra RE-write, what Moses had "allegedly" penned some several HUNDREDS of years after the (assumed) "fact", even though what it is Moses allegedly wrote, was burned in a fire so Ezra didn't even get to see it?


If that is the case, then Ezra wrote what he "thought" Moses went through and did and then(supposedly) wrote about it, through oral tradition and not much else.

How far removed from EYE-WITNESS account is THAT!!




Catalyst.