IF Jesus is God

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:04 pm

If indeed Jesus is God that seems like an extraordinary claim, especially in the context of the Judaism from which Jesus emerged. Even Jesus repeated the Shema in Mark that God is One.

And the Shema is literally driven into the heads of Jewish folks from the time of Moses, written on tiny scrolls, and attached to their foreheads. And also on their doorposts, to literally drive the point home: "HEAR O ISRAEL, YHVH OUR GOD, YHVH IS ONE!"

So it seems only natural for folks bein' suspicious of ANY claims made on behalf of ANY mortal to be God Himself, in the flesh. And any claim to the contrary would be an extremely controversial and extraordinary claim.

Even Moses was not Divinized.

Which leads to the questions for debate.

Why isn't such a spectacular claim repeated in each of the four Gospels? Why is it not made unambiguously clear? Why is it only hinted at in John, and the letters of Paul? And for every verse in John or Paul that SEEMS to indicate that Jesus is God, there are verses in each of their writings that indicate that he is NOT (John 17.3 and I Timothy 2.5, for example).

Why, if Jesus in fact is God, is that not shouted from the rooftops in the Bible itself, but only in churches,creeds and personal testimonies?

dianaiad · Post by **dianaiad** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:38 pm

JoeyKnothead wrote: From the OP:

Why, if Jesus in fact is God, is that not shouted from the rooftops in the Bible itself, but only in churches,creeds and personal testimonies?
Where beliefs are informed from ignorance, well there we go.

If it be told, I'm the "son of God", insofar as if it is, he's Adam's daddy, well how 'bout that.

Er....that would make Him Adam's big brother, not Daddy. Just sayin'.

JoeyKnothead · Post by **JoeyKnothead** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:17 pm

From Post 7:

dianaid wrote:
JoeyKnothead wrote: If it be told, I'm the "son of God", insofar as if it is, he's Adam's daddy, well how 'bout that.
Er....that would make Him Adam's big brother, not Daddy. Just sayin'.'

I was on the God deal there, not the Jesus, but I respect it was me that confused it.

I've yet to find the first Christian that can show Jesus was the son of God, much less his big brother.

Or that God was there, that he had him some young'ns, such that Jesus was related any closer to Adam then he was to Noah.

dianaiad · Post by **dianaiad** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:24 pm

JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 7:

dianaid wrote:
JoeyKnothead wrote: If it be told, I'm the "son of God", insofar as if it is, he's Adam's daddy, well how 'bout that.
Er....that would make Him Adam's big brother, not Daddy. Just sayin'.'
I was on the God deal there, not the Jesus, but I respect it was me that confused it.

I've yet to find the first Christian that can show Jesus was the son of God, much less his big brother.

Or that God was there, that he had him some young'ns, such that Jesus was related any closer to Adam then he was to Noah.

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Joey, do I really have to prove that my beliefs are TRUE in order to tell you what they are?

I mean, really....if that's so, then you need to prove to me that your beliefs about God (that there isn't one) are true before you can make any comments about it.

Understand, though...I'm not a trinitarian. I don't happen to believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Ghost are all the same Deity.

It makes the New Testament a lot easier to deal with, when one isn't required to explain how all Three can be One God when they are actually talking to one another.