Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !
You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !
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Re: Reconciled to God while enemies !
Post #61Reconciliation is Justification for the simple fact its acceptance, reception, approval with God ! Its the greek word katallassō:
I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)
B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
C.
to receive one into favour
In God's Favor they are in a state of being approved !
We are approved of God by Christ's Death Rom 5:10. Remember what God said to cain here Gen 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
God is telling him , if thou do what ir right,do thoroughly and thou wilt be approved, received into favor, lifted up !
Now God told him that knowing that none doeth well or right ! Ps 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Rom 3:12
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
However God's People, the Seed of the Women, are accepted with Him by the Seed of the Women Rev 12 doing well, and so we are reconciled [received into favor] by the Death of His Son + nothing ! which pleased Him for us, Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
God told cain that if he did well he would be received/accepted, but the Holy Seed, its if Christ doeth well that we should be accepted, See the difference ? Those who base their acceptance with God by them doing well, that's the way of cain Jude 1:11
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Seeking acceptance with God in themselves doing well ! And Acceptance with God is Our Justification ! 5
I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)
B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
C.
to receive one into favour
In God's Favor they are in a state of being approved !
We are approved of God by Christ's Death Rom 5:10. Remember what God said to cain here Gen 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
God is telling him , if thou do what ir right,do thoroughly and thou wilt be approved, received into favor, lifted up !
Now God told him that knowing that none doeth well or right ! Ps 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Rom 3:12
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
However God's People, the Seed of the Women, are accepted with Him by the Seed of the Women Rev 12 doing well, and so we are reconciled [received into favor] by the Death of His Son + nothing ! which pleased Him for us, Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
God told cain that if he did well he would be received/accepted, but the Holy Seed, its if Christ doeth well that we should be accepted, See the difference ? Those who base their acceptance with God by them doing well, that's the way of cain Jude 1:11
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Seeking acceptance with God in themselves doing well ! And Acceptance with God is Our Justification ! 5
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Re: Reconciled to God while enemies !
Post #62Reconciled to God by His Death alone !
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
One for whom Christ died does not have to be a believer in Christ in order for His Death to reconciled them to God, they can and are unbelievers while reconciled !
God is 100 % completely reconciled to all for whom His Son died, and His death did also redeem them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Note, it was not the believers faith that did this, neither their repentance did it, but solely by the fact that He died and was made a curse for them, that's what did it, that reconciled them to God and it redeemed them from the curse of the Law, it put them into the favor of God, the word reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the greek word Katallasso:
to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value to reconcile (those who are at variance)
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
to receive one into favour
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were haters of God, the death of his Son made us at peace with him, much more, now that we are his friends, will we have salvation through his life; BBE
God's Law and Justice can never charge them with law breaking or sin, nor their Surety anymore, for all that they owed to God's Law and Justice is finished Jn 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished [redemption and reconciliation]: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
That word finish in the greek also means pay Matt 17:24
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
Rom 13:6-7
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
In other words, Christ for all those He died, hath fulfilled or paid in full and completely all that was due to God's Law and Justice, regarding their debts, and nothing else can be owed or charged to them He hath redeemed and reconciled.
Also the word finished in Jn 19:30 is in the perfect tense, which means action that has been once and for all completed in the past, yet its results carry on into the present ! The Elect or those He died for are born as sinners and ungodly in themselves into the world, yet already sin debt free and reconciled into God's peace and favour ! 6
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
One for whom Christ died does not have to be a believer in Christ in order for His Death to reconciled them to God, they can and are unbelievers while reconciled !
God is 100 % completely reconciled to all for whom His Son died, and His death did also redeem them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Note, it was not the believers faith that did this, neither their repentance did it, but solely by the fact that He died and was made a curse for them, that's what did it, that reconciled them to God and it redeemed them from the curse of the Law, it put them into the favor of God, the word reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the greek word Katallasso:
to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value to reconcile (those who are at variance)
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
to receive one into favour
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were haters of God, the death of his Son made us at peace with him, much more, now that we are his friends, will we have salvation through his life; BBE
God's Law and Justice can never charge them with law breaking or sin, nor their Surety anymore, for all that they owed to God's Law and Justice is finished Jn 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished [redemption and reconciliation]: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
That word finish in the greek also means pay Matt 17:24
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
Rom 13:6-7
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
In other words, Christ for all those He died, hath fulfilled or paid in full and completely all that was due to God's Law and Justice, regarding their debts, and nothing else can be owed or charged to them He hath redeemed and reconciled.
Also the word finished in Jn 19:30 is in the perfect tense, which means action that has been once and for all completed in the past, yet its results carry on into the present ! The Elect or those He died for are born as sinners and ungodly in themselves into the world, yet already sin debt free and reconciled into God's peace and favour ! 6
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Post #63Reconciled by His Death means Justification !
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
All those Christ died for, by His Death alone, have been Reconciled to God, while they themselves are enemies, now if that is True, then they had to be also Justified, because Reconciliation entails that they have been put in a Right standing with God, in His Favor ! The word for reconciliation is katallassō means:
I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)
B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
C.
to receive one into favour
To be in God's Favor denotes being approved by Him, being accepted by Him much like Eph 1:6
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved
It means Highly Favored !
Now for this to be, they have to be Justified from all sin, which they are if and since Christ died for them, having all sin of theirs imputed to Him and not them, leaving them free from the charge of sin, which = Justiciation Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
So Rom 5:10 could read and be true like this Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were Justified before God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
No harm is Done ! 6
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
All those Christ died for, by His Death alone, have been Reconciled to God, while they themselves are enemies, now if that is True, then they had to be also Justified, because Reconciliation entails that they have been put in a Right standing with God, in His Favor ! The word for reconciliation is katallassō means:
I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)
B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one
C.
to receive one into favour
To be in God's Favor denotes being approved by Him, being accepted by Him much like Eph 1:6
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved
It means Highly Favored !
Now for this to be, they have to be Justified from all sin, which they are if and since Christ died for them, having all sin of theirs imputed to Him and not them, leaving them free from the charge of sin, which = Justiciation Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
So Rom 5:10 could read and be true like this Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were Justified before God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
No harm is Done ! 6
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Post #64The false teaching of one sided Reconciliation !
Many today in organized, apostate false religion, whether from church going folk or folk who have separated themselves from organized religion unto their own form of apostasy, they are liars when they tell us that Christ's Death that effects Reconciliation to God for those He died for Rom 5:10, that its only one sided ! For the Truth of the matter is that His Death effects both, for it reconciles God to man and man to God, because man by nature are at enmity to God, yet it reconciles them to God from their estrangement causing them a return to God, much like what happened with the prodigal son when he said Lk 15 :18,20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
And he arose , and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off , his father saw him, and had compassion , and ran , and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Now his returning back to his Father is a beautiful picture of what the Death of Christ alone accomplished and effected upon all those He died for 1 Pet 2:24-25
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The word returned epistrephō is in the passive voice[caused to turn back or bring back], which means the subject is being acted upon, hence being returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of their soul.
This is the fruitful effect of Christ having bare their sins, and healing them thereby, effecting a reconciliation back to God. 6
Many today in organized, apostate false religion, whether from church going folk or folk who have separated themselves from organized religion unto their own form of apostasy, they are liars when they tell us that Christ's Death that effects Reconciliation to God for those He died for Rom 5:10, that its only one sided ! For the Truth of the matter is that His Death effects both, for it reconciles God to man and man to God, because man by nature are at enmity to God, yet it reconciles them to God from their estrangement causing them a return to God, much like what happened with the prodigal son when he said Lk 15 :18,20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
And he arose , and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off , his father saw him, and had compassion , and ran , and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Now his returning back to his Father is a beautiful picture of what the Death of Christ alone accomplished and effected upon all those He died for 1 Pet 2:24-25
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The word returned epistrephō is in the passive voice[caused to turn back or bring back], which means the subject is being acted upon, hence being returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of their soul.
This is the fruitful effect of Christ having bare their sins, and healing them thereby, effecting a reconciliation back to God. 6
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Post #65The false teaching of one sided Reconciliation !2
Now 1 Pet 2:24-25 , this passage shows us if we have eyes to see, how that the death of Christ in Vs 24, called there His Stripes, how that it caused them He took the stripes for, or died for, to return to the Bishop and Shepherd of their Souls in Vs 25 because His Stripes healed them 1 Pet 2:24-25
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The proof or evidence of the Healing is their return to God, which is also reconciliation of them to Him. The word returned here in the greek is epistrephó and means:
I turn (back) to (towards), (b) intrans: I turn (back) (to [towards]); I come to myself. However its an aorist indicative passive, meaning the person who is turning or returning is being turned, acted upon, its the efficaciousness of the Stripes of Christ that causes the person to turn, who was once gone astray ! Thats the end desired and purposed by God for the death of Christ, to return the lost sheep back to Him, and it was very successful !
The proof of the healing is the sinners being returned to God as exemplified here in the prodigal son Lk 15:18, 20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
This is evidence from the scripture that Christ's Death also reconciles those gone astray , estranged men and women who are His Sheep, they are brought back to God or again as the Apostle Peter writes 1 Pet 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
That's reconciliation also ! His suffering for our sins, was for the purpose of bringing us back to God if indeed we were of His Sheep or Elect ! 7
Now 1 Pet 2:24-25 , this passage shows us if we have eyes to see, how that the death of Christ in Vs 24, called there His Stripes, how that it caused them He took the stripes for, or died for, to return to the Bishop and Shepherd of their Souls in Vs 25 because His Stripes healed them 1 Pet 2:24-25
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The proof or evidence of the Healing is their return to God, which is also reconciliation of them to Him. The word returned here in the greek is epistrephó and means:
I turn (back) to (towards), (b) intrans: I turn (back) (to [towards]); I come to myself. However its an aorist indicative passive, meaning the person who is turning or returning is being turned, acted upon, its the efficaciousness of the Stripes of Christ that causes the person to turn, who was once gone astray ! Thats the end desired and purposed by God for the death of Christ, to return the lost sheep back to Him, and it was very successful !
The proof of the healing is the sinners being returned to God as exemplified here in the prodigal son Lk 15:18, 20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
This is evidence from the scripture that Christ's Death also reconciles those gone astray , estranged men and women who are His Sheep, they are brought back to God or again as the Apostle Peter writes 1 Pet 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
That's reconciliation also ! His suffering for our sins, was for the purpose of bringing us back to God if indeed we were of His Sheep or Elect ! 7
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Post #66# The False Teaching of One-Sided Reconciliation! 3
Another passage that plainly connects Christ's death with the reconciliation of those who were previously **alienated and enemies** is found in Colossians 1:20–22
20 “And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.”
Notice exactly what Paul says.
These people were:
“sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works.”
Yet Paul says:
yet now hath he reconciled.”
And then he tells us exactly how this reconciliation was accomplished:
“In the body of his flesh through death.”
The reconciliation is therefore directly connected to the death of Christ.
Paul had already said in verse 20:
“having made peace through the blood of his cross.”
So we have two closely related statements:
Peace was made through the blood of His cross.
Reconciliation was accomplished through the death of His flesh.
The Apostle does not present Christ's death as merely making reconciliation possible. He presents Christ's death as the means by which reconciliation was accomplished.
And notice the condition of the people being reconciled.
They were alienated
They were enemies in their minds
They were characterized by wicked works
Yet God reconciled them through the death of Christ.
This harmonizes perfectly with Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son.
Again, the reconciliation is said to have occurred “when we were enemies.”
This is why I reject the idea that Christ's death merely made reconciliation possible while leaving its actual accomplishment dependent upon some subsequent action originating in the sinner.
Paul's language is much stronger:
“Yet now hath he reconciled.”
And the ground or means he gives is:
“through death.”
The Greek preposition διά (dia) can express means or agency—“through,” “by means of,” or “by.” Paul's point is that Christ's death was the means by which this reconciliation was accomplished.
And notice where Paul takes the argument in verse 22:
“To present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.
The death of Christ was not an unsuccessful attempt at salvation. It had a definite purpose and a definite result: those reconciled by Christ's death are ultimately presented holy, unblameable, and unreproveable in God's sight.
This does not mean that the reconciled person was already experimentally walking in holiness while still alienated and unbelieving.
Rather, we must distinguish between the objective accomplishment of Christ's work and its vital and practical manifestation in the sinner**.
The elect are born into this world as sinners and enemies in their minds by wicked works. They must be regenerated, brought to repentance and faith, and progressively conformed to Christ.
But none of that means Christ's death failed to accomplish what God intended it to accomplish.
The Legal Phase precedes the Vital Phase.
Christ reconciles through His death.
The Holy Spirit subsequently brings the reconciled sinner into the vital experience and knowledge of that salvation.
That is why the passage ends not merely with reconciliation, but with the purpose:
“To present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.”
Christ's death accomplishes the salvation of the people represented by Him; the Spirit brings them into the experiential enjoyment of that salvation.
So when someone says that Christ's death does not actually accomplish salvation for those for whom He died, or that the reconciliation accomplished by His death is merely potential, waiting for the sinner to complete it, I believe that position fails to do justice to the language of Colossians 1:20–22 and Romans 5:10
The text says:
Blood made peace.
Death reconciled.
The formerly alienated enemies were reconciled.
And those reconciled are ultimately presented holy and unblameable before God.
That is not a frustrated atonement.
That is the efficacy of Christ's finished work.
And that is the glory of sovereign grace.
Another passage that plainly connects Christ's death with the reconciliation of those who were previously **alienated and enemies** is found in Colossians 1:20–22
20 “And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.”
Notice exactly what Paul says.
These people were:
“sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works.”
Yet Paul says:
yet now hath he reconciled.”
And then he tells us exactly how this reconciliation was accomplished:
“In the body of his flesh through death.”
The reconciliation is therefore directly connected to the death of Christ.
Paul had already said in verse 20:
“having made peace through the blood of his cross.”
So we have two closely related statements:
Peace was made through the blood of His cross.
Reconciliation was accomplished through the death of His flesh.
The Apostle does not present Christ's death as merely making reconciliation possible. He presents Christ's death as the means by which reconciliation was accomplished.
And notice the condition of the people being reconciled.
They were alienated
They were enemies in their minds
They were characterized by wicked works
Yet God reconciled them through the death of Christ.
This harmonizes perfectly with Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son.
Again, the reconciliation is said to have occurred “when we were enemies.”
This is why I reject the idea that Christ's death merely made reconciliation possible while leaving its actual accomplishment dependent upon some subsequent action originating in the sinner.
Paul's language is much stronger:
“Yet now hath he reconciled.”
And the ground or means he gives is:
“through death.”
The Greek preposition διά (dia) can express means or agency—“through,” “by means of,” or “by.” Paul's point is that Christ's death was the means by which this reconciliation was accomplished.
And notice where Paul takes the argument in verse 22:
“To present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.
The death of Christ was not an unsuccessful attempt at salvation. It had a definite purpose and a definite result: those reconciled by Christ's death are ultimately presented holy, unblameable, and unreproveable in God's sight.
This does not mean that the reconciled person was already experimentally walking in holiness while still alienated and unbelieving.
Rather, we must distinguish between the objective accomplishment of Christ's work and its vital and practical manifestation in the sinner**.
The elect are born into this world as sinners and enemies in their minds by wicked works. They must be regenerated, brought to repentance and faith, and progressively conformed to Christ.
But none of that means Christ's death failed to accomplish what God intended it to accomplish.
The Legal Phase precedes the Vital Phase.
Christ reconciles through His death.
The Holy Spirit subsequently brings the reconciled sinner into the vital experience and knowledge of that salvation.
That is why the passage ends not merely with reconciliation, but with the purpose:
“To present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.”
Christ's death accomplishes the salvation of the people represented by Him; the Spirit brings them into the experiential enjoyment of that salvation.
So when someone says that Christ's death does not actually accomplish salvation for those for whom He died, or that the reconciliation accomplished by His death is merely potential, waiting for the sinner to complete it, I believe that position fails to do justice to the language of Colossians 1:20–22 and Romans 5:10
The text says:
Blood made peace.
Death reconciled.
The formerly alienated enemies were reconciled.
And those reconciled are ultimately presented holy and unblameable before God.
That is not a frustrated atonement.
That is the efficacy of Christ's finished work.
And that is the glory of sovereign grace.
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Post #67More on Reconciliation
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The world here in this scripture cannot possibly mean everyone without exception, or every individual without exception as the False teachers tell us , simply because this world is comprised of all individuals who do not have any sins imputed or charged to them ! Everyone in this world meets the criteria of being this Man Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. And that equates to reconciliation according to 2 Cor 5:19;
But we know this blessing does not apply to all without exception, because by other scripture we are informed of those who do have their sins charged to them Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Which makes it impossible for any of those to be any of that World in 2 Cor 5:19, who had no sins charged or imputed to them, how is it therefore even remotely possible for them to die in their sins ? To be more clear on this matter, the reconciled world in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved World because its reconciled Rom 11:11-12,15
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
The reconciling of the world here in Vs 15 is the same as "Salvation is come to the Gentiles" in Vs 11 !
It actually means it [Salvation has come in the application of it] by the Spirit.
Reconciliation by Christ is Twofold, it Reconciled God to man and it reconciles man to God !
So the World in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved, reconciled world and 2 Cor 5:20 is a Call to Faith in the Truth of what has already occurred ! Faith cometh by Hearing the Word of Truth, and everyone who has been Reconciled to God, will hear the Truth of it, the Gospel of their Salvation !
So there is no way possible to equate the World in 2 Cor 5:19 with the Unbelievers and them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 ! 8
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The world here in this scripture cannot possibly mean everyone without exception, or every individual without exception as the False teachers tell us , simply because this world is comprised of all individuals who do not have any sins imputed or charged to them ! Everyone in this world meets the criteria of being this Man Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. And that equates to reconciliation according to 2 Cor 5:19;
But we know this blessing does not apply to all without exception, because by other scripture we are informed of those who do have their sins charged to them Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Which makes it impossible for any of those to be any of that World in 2 Cor 5:19, who had no sins charged or imputed to them, how is it therefore even remotely possible for them to die in their sins ? To be more clear on this matter, the reconciled world in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved World because its reconciled Rom 11:11-12,15
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
The reconciling of the world here in Vs 15 is the same as "Salvation is come to the Gentiles" in Vs 11 !
It actually means it [Salvation has come in the application of it] by the Spirit.
Reconciliation by Christ is Twofold, it Reconciled God to man and it reconciles man to God !
So the World in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved, reconciled world and 2 Cor 5:20 is a Call to Faith in the Truth of what has already occurred ! Faith cometh by Hearing the Word of Truth, and everyone who has been Reconciled to God, will hear the Truth of it, the Gospel of their Salvation !
So there is no way possible to equate the World in 2 Cor 5:19 with the Unbelievers and them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 ! 8
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Re: Reconciled to God while enemies !
Post #68Receiving the Atonement or Reconciliation!
Many today in organized apostate religion are completely ignorant of the true, uncompromised merits of Christ's saving and atoning death. They will proudly tell us that they believe in Christ's atonement, but then in the very next breath, they will claim that millions for whom Christ died—and whom He legally reconciled to God—will nevertheless die in their natural unbelief, die in their sins (John 8:24), and spend eternity in hell. So much for the power of Christ's atoning death
The Apostle Paul completely shatters this conditional, failed-cross theology by showing the absolute, unbreakable connection between the accomplishment of the cross and its application:
“For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:10-11)
This scripture is incredibly informative because it establishes an unshakeable legal order. Those who were reconciled to God by the death of His Son while they were active enemies in verse 10 are the exact same ones who, in verse 11, receive the reconciliation!
Notice the precise grammar of the Holy Spirit. Paul does not say we received the atonement by our own free will, or because we independently fulfilled a condition. He uses the preposition dia, explicitly declaring that we have received the atonement “by Him”—through our Lord Jesus Christ! Christ is the active Giver; He bestows it upon them, sovereignly quickening them into a vital, living experience of it. This is what it means to be “saved by His life.
”The Greek word for atonement here is katallage, which judicially means an exchange of equivalent values, an adjustment of a difference, or a total restoration to favor. Think about the legal mechanics of this definition: if Christ's death is a true atoning death, it must successfully atone both parties to one another. If His death reconciled God to the elect, but left the elect completely unreconciled to God, then His death was a failure. If He only settled God's side of the ledger but neglected to change the sinner's heart, His work would be imperfect and incomplete.
But the Christ of the Bible does not do a halfway job. He did not merely make peace possible; He completely reconciled the elect back to God, forcefully subduing the deep-seated enmity they naturally carried in their minds by wicked works:
“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:” (Colossians 1:21-22)That is how the elect receive the atonement. They do not receive it by the strength of their fallen human will. They receive it “by Him”—because His historic death on the cross (Phase II: Legal) perfectly purchased and guaranteed the Holy Spirit’s irresistible work of immediate regeneration in time (Phase III: Vital). The exchange was completed at Calvary, and the receipt is delivered infallibly to every single soul Christ represented. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the perfection of His sacrifice. 8
Many today in organized apostate religion are completely ignorant of the true, uncompromised merits of Christ's saving and atoning death. They will proudly tell us that they believe in Christ's atonement, but then in the very next breath, they will claim that millions for whom Christ died—and whom He legally reconciled to God—will nevertheless die in their natural unbelief, die in their sins (John 8:24), and spend eternity in hell. So much for the power of Christ's atoning death
The Apostle Paul completely shatters this conditional, failed-cross theology by showing the absolute, unbreakable connection between the accomplishment of the cross and its application:
“For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:10-11)
This scripture is incredibly informative because it establishes an unshakeable legal order. Those who were reconciled to God by the death of His Son while they were active enemies in verse 10 are the exact same ones who, in verse 11, receive the reconciliation!
Notice the precise grammar of the Holy Spirit. Paul does not say we received the atonement by our own free will, or because we independently fulfilled a condition. He uses the preposition dia, explicitly declaring that we have received the atonement “by Him”—through our Lord Jesus Christ! Christ is the active Giver; He bestows it upon them, sovereignly quickening them into a vital, living experience of it. This is what it means to be “saved by His life.
”The Greek word for atonement here is katallage, which judicially means an exchange of equivalent values, an adjustment of a difference, or a total restoration to favor. Think about the legal mechanics of this definition: if Christ's death is a true atoning death, it must successfully atone both parties to one another. If His death reconciled God to the elect, but left the elect completely unreconciled to God, then His death was a failure. If He only settled God's side of the ledger but neglected to change the sinner's heart, His work would be imperfect and incomplete.
But the Christ of the Bible does not do a halfway job. He did not merely make peace possible; He completely reconciled the elect back to God, forcefully subduing the deep-seated enmity they naturally carried in their minds by wicked works:
“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:” (Colossians 1:21-22)That is how the elect receive the atonement. They do not receive it by the strength of their fallen human will. They receive it “by Him”—because His historic death on the cross (Phase II: Legal) perfectly purchased and guaranteed the Holy Spirit’s irresistible work of immediate regeneration in time (Phase III: Vital). The exchange was completed at Calvary, and the receipt is delivered infallibly to every single soul Christ represented. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the perfection of His sacrifice. 8
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Re: Reconciled to God while enemies !
Post #69Romans 5:10 Reconciled as Enemies !
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Yes Paul is speaking as a Believer to other believers, but it is instructive as to what he writes accordingly, he writes that they were or had been reconciled to God, while they were enemies, unbelievers, by His Son's Death !
How can and are sinners, who by nature, and while being active enemies to God, hating Him and at enmity with Him in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
How could they nevertheless have been at that time reconciled to a Holy God ?
The scripture tells us, it was by the Death of His Son, Rom 5:10, which means His Death alone, while they were being enemies, had legally removed their guilt before God's Law and Justice, their slate had been wiped clean,and except for that men, cannot be legally reconciled to God and be guilt and condemnation free !
Now this applies only to believers , when they were not yet believers !
All others, while unbelievers and enemies are yet condemned already Jn 3:18 and under God's wrath without hope of ever seeing life Jn 3:36 ! 8
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Yes Paul is speaking as a Believer to other believers, but it is instructive as to what he writes accordingly, he writes that they were or had been reconciled to God, while they were enemies, unbelievers, by His Son's Death !
How can and are sinners, who by nature, and while being active enemies to God, hating Him and at enmity with Him in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
How could they nevertheless have been at that time reconciled to a Holy God ?
The scripture tells us, it was by the Death of His Son, Rom 5:10, which means His Death alone, while they were being enemies, had legally removed their guilt before God's Law and Justice, their slate had been wiped clean,and except for that men, cannot be legally reconciled to God and be guilt and condemnation free !
Now this applies only to believers , when they were not yet believers !
All others, while unbelievers and enemies are yet condemned already Jn 3:18 and under God's wrath without hope of ever seeing life Jn 3:36 ! 8
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Re: Reconciled to God while enemies !
Post #70Reconciled unto blamelessness !
All for whom Christ died, by His death alone, even while they were enemies, unbelievers, by nature children of wrath, they even then were by His death reconciled to God Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now, being reconciled to God while enemies, they had the promise of being saved by His Life.
Also they have another promise to look forward to Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death[Rom 5:10], to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
All those Christ's death alone reconciled to God while they were enemies, they shall all be by that be presented Holy, and Unblameable, and unreprovable in His sight !
If this does not happen to all for whom He died, then His death was an utter failure ! 8
All for whom Christ died, by His death alone, even while they were enemies, unbelievers, by nature children of wrath, they even then were by His death reconciled to God Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now, being reconciled to God while enemies, they had the promise of being saved by His Life.
Also they have another promise to look forward to Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death[Rom 5:10], to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
All those Christ's death alone reconciled to God while they were enemies, they shall all be by that be presented Holy, and Unblameable, and unreprovable in His sight !
If this does not happen to all for whom He died, then His death was an utter failure ! 8
