Is Mary the Mother of God?

[historia]

The ecumenical Council of Ephesus in 431 AD declared Mary to be Theotokos, 'God-bearer', often translated into Latin as Mater Dei, or 'Mother of God'.

Question for debate: Should Mary be called the Mother of God?

[Richard Aberdeen]

[Replying to historia in post #1]

Mary is the mother of Jesus, "son of man". God is the father of Jesus, "son of God". Jesus is both man and God. Mary was a sinner like the rest of us, no different. Praying to Mary is a futile heretic practice. Worship of Mary is even worse.

Based on the four narratives of Jesus, Mary was a good mother and herself became a devoted follower of Jesus. She is mentioned in Acts as being among those gathered waiting for the gift of the holy spirit. Mary appears to have had six or more children after Jesus, apparently a typical family size in Palestine at the time.

[historia]

But that's not how the Lord Jesus exists and lives in His own realm; the Lord Jesus is the Almighty God, the Spirit and Life that was in the Son of God during His incarnation.

So, during his incarnation, Jesus was God, yes?

The Son of God, per se, was God during the Almighty God’s incarnation because the Spirit/Life that was in him (the Son of God) was the Lord God, whose name is Jesus.

Okay. Did Mary bear Jesus during his incarnation?

No, Mary did not bear Jesus during His incarnation; the Son of God, per se, the man whom the Holy Spirit created, was the one whom Mary brought forth during God’s incarnation. The Son of God was the physical vessel of God in His incarnation; hence, Jesus, the name of the Almighty God, was given by God to the Son of God, per se.

Okay, but during the time that Mary was pregnant, was God incarnate within the Son of God?

[Mr E]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #60]

The specific phrase "Mother of God" does not appear in the Bible.

And they all lived happily ever after. -That should be the end of it.

[historia]

Before answering, what do we mean by "Mother of God"? Are we saying Mary gave origin to God’s divine nature, or simply that she gave birth to Jesus, who is God in the flesh?

The latter.

What do the Scriptures actually call Mary? Can you point to a passage that calls her "the Mother of God"?

Which books do you consider to be Scripture? And how did you personally decide that they are Scripture?

But the exact expression "Mother of God" does not appear in Scripture.

Okay, but I think we should keep this in mind when considering that point:

Its true that the word "trinity" is not found in Scripture, but to say the Bible doesnt support the idea is untrue.

Based.

[historia]

Jesus is both man and God.

Cool. Did Mary bear Jesus?

[historia]

It's made-up Catholic doctrine and dogma.

There are Protestants in this thread affirming this title for Mary.

If Mary was God's mom vis a vis the birth of Jesus, then surely before that she was God's lover when 'the Father' of Jesus impregnated her. The same folks who propose that Mary was God's mother will rebuff their own logic in this example of it.

Mary's title of Theokos is a straight-forward statement about the divinity of Christ.

There is nothing in early Christian teaching that would even suggest the Virgin Birth entailed a sexual or romantic relationship between the Father and Mary. How you "surely" jumped to that conclusion, then, is anyone's guess.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #13]

Is Jesus God?

Do you agree with the Scriptures given, or not.

No rabbit holes for me, chasing down people that avoid Scripture's teachings.

Which books do you consider to be Scripture? And how did you personally decide that they are Scripture?

Genesis to Revelation is the Bible I read. Only these books are perfectly unified with one another, without contradiction between them.

Other books may have their personal information and benefit, but none other can be added with the same unerring unity of the Genesis-Revelation Scriptures of God. No book with any words written in contradiction to the Scriptures of the Bible, belongs in the Bible.

The true God that gave all His Scriptures to His prophets and apostles, is the same true God that gives all His Scriptures in one Book, the Bible.

[historia]

Do you agree with the Scriptures given, or not.

Which books do you consider to be Scripture? And how did you personally decide that they are Scripture?

Genesis to Revelation is the Bible I read.

You've named only two books. What are the others? And how did you personally decide that they are Scripture?

[OneJack]

So, during his incarnation, Jesus was God, yes?

The Son of God, per se, was God during the Almighty God’s incarnation because the Spirit/Life that was in him (the Son of God) was the Lord God, whose name is Jesus.

Okay. Did Mary bear Jesus during his incarnation?

No, Mary did not bear Jesus during His incarnation; the Son of God, per se, the man whom the Holy Spirit created, was the one whom Mary brought forth during God’s incarnation. The Son of God was the physical vessel of God in His incarnation; hence, Jesus, the name of the Almighty God, was given by God to the Son of God, per se.

Okay, but during the time that Mary was pregnant, was God incarnate within the Son of God?

The Spirit and Life that was in the Son of God during God's incarnation was God Himself, the Father, whose name is Jesus or Immanuel or Mighty God or Eternal Father. But this doesn't mean that Jesus or Immanuel is not in all places, seen and unseen by our naked eyes; God is omnipresent. The Father did all His works during His incarnation through the Son of God.