The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
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The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #1Daniel's chapter about the great image (chapter 2) is very significant within any discussion of the end times and when God's Kingdom comes (Matt.6:9,10). After perusing this chapter, and perhaps viewing this image on other websites, what is your understanding of the meaning of this image and its being hit by a rock from the mountain?
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Post #81I dont know if you've had a chance to watch Codiv Update #8 OWH but Br. Losch mentions this Watchtower comment which I found timely, in view of whats happening in the United States at the moment...onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:10 am
3) The stone---God's own government---strikes the feet, showing that where we are in the stream of time is very close to the end of men's governments and the establishment of God's own government by Christ.

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Re: The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #82[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #82]
Indeed! A timely statement by our brothers, for sure. What we see going on today certainly fits in with our outlook concerning the feet of the image....made of elements that don't mix and depict constant disagreement and opposition.
Indeed! A timely statement by our brothers, for sure. What we see going on today certainly fits in with our outlook concerning the feet of the image....made of elements that don't mix and depict constant disagreement and opposition.
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Re: The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #83In answer to many of the questions raised here, and for an in-depth look into Daniel 2, please visit:
Babylon Revealed: The Yellow Brick Road
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/babylon ... rick-road/

Babylon Revealed: The Yellow Brick Road
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/babylon ... rick-road/

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Re: The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #84CORRECTION THE FEET ...


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Post #85Daniel 2:36-45 (read all of Daniel 2)
2:36 This [is] the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
2:37 Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath He given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of GOLD (the Babylonian Empire).
2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee (Cyrus and the Medo-Persian Empire), and another third kingdom of brass (Alexander the Great’s Greek Empire), which shall bear rule over all the earth.
2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as IRON (the Roman Empire): forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided (into the Eastern and Western Roman Empires); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay (Rev. 13:1; Rev. 17:12), [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
2:44 And in the days of these kings (Rev. 17:12-14) shall the God of heaven set up a Kingdom (the British Empire, with the Davidic Throne that God has promised to Christ - Luke 1:31-33), which shall never be destroyed: and the Kingdom shall NOT be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the “Stone – Matt. 21:42” was cut out of the “mountain” without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the GOLD; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream [is] certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
We are presently suffering under tyrannical corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional courts, the corporate fictional chemical-pharmaceutical-medical industry, the corporate fictional military industrial complex and the corporate fictional financial and economic system, all of which also originated in Babylon via their direct descendants: the Romans (Sura 17:7). And all of which is fraudulent and unlawful.
This is why we find the dead language of Latin being used throughout the corporate fictional organized religion of Roman Catholicism (which transcends international borders), the corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional courts, and in the corporate fictional chemical-pharmaceutical-medical industry, among many other places, where Roman customs, Roman "law" and Roman business practices are an integral part of modern society.
2:36 This [is] the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
2:37 Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath He given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of GOLD (the Babylonian Empire).
2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee (Cyrus and the Medo-Persian Empire), and another third kingdom of brass (Alexander the Great’s Greek Empire), which shall bear rule over all the earth.
2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as IRON (the Roman Empire): forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided (into the Eastern and Western Roman Empires); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay (Rev. 13:1; Rev. 17:12), [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
2:44 And in the days of these kings (Rev. 17:12-14) shall the God of heaven set up a Kingdom (the British Empire, with the Davidic Throne that God has promised to Christ - Luke 1:31-33), which shall never be destroyed: and the Kingdom shall NOT be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the “Stone – Matt. 21:42” was cut out of the “mountain” without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the GOLD; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream [is] certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
We are presently suffering under tyrannical corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional courts, the corporate fictional chemical-pharmaceutical-medical industry, the corporate fictional military industrial complex and the corporate fictional financial and economic system, all of which also originated in Babylon via their direct descendants: the Romans (Sura 17:7). And all of which is fraudulent and unlawful.
This is why we find the dead language of Latin being used throughout the corporate fictional organized religion of Roman Catholicism (which transcends international borders), the corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional courts, and in the corporate fictional chemical-pharmaceutical-medical industry, among many other places, where Roman customs, Roman "law" and Roman business practices are an integral part of modern society.
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Re: The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #86Why do we know that the common interpretation of fhe feet of iron and clay representing THR CATHOLIC CHURCH is incorrect
1. The entire figure was governmental/politcal it is inconsistent therefore to suggest the metals changed from governmental/politcal to ---> religious.
2. The iron has already been identified as being the ROME EMPIRE; unlike the previous powers which changed, the feet remained the same (political) element as the legs the ONLY difference being its ecudting in a diluted/weakened and broken up condition. So we are looking at the political of ancient ROME (albeit renamed) contining in a weakened fractured form.
3. Each element of the statue was a WORLD power the final one of which is present as such at the final destruction. The Catholic church does not dominate the Islamic world and regardless of its covert influence does not have the military muscle to be considered a world power.
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Post #87The Roman Empire was one of the most powerful and longest lasting empires in the world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:14 amWhy do we know that the common interpretation of fhe feet of iron and clay representing THR CATHOLIC CHURCH is incorrect
1. The entire figure was governmental/politcal it is inconsistent therefore to suggest the metals changed from governmental/politcal to ---> religious.
2. The iron has already been identified as being the ROME EMPIRE; unlike the previous powers which changed, the feet remained the same (political) element as the legs the ONLY difference being its ecudting in a diluted/weakened and broken up condition. So we are looking at the political of ancient ROME (albeit renamed) contining in a weakened fractured form.
3. Each element of the statue was a WORLD power the final one of which is present as such at the final destruction. The Catholic church does not dominate the Islamic world and regardless of its covert influence does not have the military muscle to be considered a world power.
The Roman Empire lives on today in every government, every courtroom and every business model, including religion. It infects everything: our monetary system and policies; the uniform commercial code; the medical/chemical/pharmaceutical industry, and its business of organized religion transcends international borders.
The Roman Catholic church today is the largest business empire on the planet, with vast holdings in stock, real estate, gold, silver, precious metals, artifacts and paintings etc. It has its own bank, its own pharmaceutical wing, its own covert intelligence apparatus (the Jesuits) and its own army.
All governments are corporations.
All courts are corporations.
And yes, all organized religions are corporations too.
The Roman Catholic church (which is run by crypto-counterfeit Jews that call themselves "Jesuits") CREATED the organized religion known as "Islam", hoping to use it as a mercenary army to conquer Jerusalem for the Vatican, only to have that plan backfire on them.
Anyone who still believes there is separation between church and state has no idea what they're talking about.
CHURCH AND STATE ARE TWO HEADS OF THE SAME BEAST SYSTEM (Church/Levi-athan and Behemoth/State). They are used to divide, conquer and lead anyone foolish enough to follow them to their destruction.
Clay, unlike solid metal, is MOLDABLE. It can be shaped in the potter's hand into what it needs to be, which is symbolic of the believing REMNANT of the "House of Israel".
Jeremiah 18:6 O House of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the "I AM". Behold, as the clay [is] in the potter's hand, so [are] ye in Mine hand, O House of Israel.
The Israelite nations of the world were meant to be a demonstration people to the rest of the world, of how wonderful it is to live by God's Law. Had we kept our Covenant Promise to God, we wouldn't be suffering under the oppression and injustice that goes on today in all of the Israelite nations, nor would we still be living under Roman "law".
THAT is why we can be absolutely certain that the feet of iron AND clay symbolize Rome and the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, which today are the Israelite nations of the world. The 10 toes represent the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, the remnant of which will come out of the beast system, symbolized by the figure of a MAN (which was created on the 6th day, and thinks only of his own selfishness - man, man, man - 666).
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Post #88Granted Rome's laws, culture, influence and religion continue , but Rome no longer exists as a world power. Think of it like Elvis continuing to influence modern day music but the man himself is dead. The iron of the feet cannot be the Roman empire since the Roman Empire no longer exists. The Catholic church does not have the political and military power to be considered a World empire even if in the past it arguably did.
We have but to observe the major players on the world scene to see what countries finally grew out of the territories of Rome to finally dominate our present political scene.
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Post #89Another Watchtower concoction of words: "Israelite nations of the world:" What the heck is that?A Freeman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:11 pmThe Roman Empire was one of the most powerful and longest lasting empires in the world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:14 amWhy do we know that the common interpretation of fhe feet of iron and clay representing THR CATHOLIC CHURCH is incorrect
1. The entire figure was governmental/politcal it is inconsistent therefore to suggest the metals changed from governmental/politcal to ---> religious.
2. The iron has already been identified as being the ROME EMPIRE; unlike the previous powers which changed, the feet remained the same (political) element as the legs the ONLY difference being its ecudting in a diluted/weakened and broken up condition. So we are looking at the political of ancient ROME (albeit renamed) contining in a weakened fractured form.
3. Each element of the statue was a WORLD power the final one of which is present as such at the final destruction. The Catholic church does not dominate the Islamic world and regardless of its covert influence does not have the military muscle to be considered a world power.
The Roman Empire lives on today in every government, every courtroom and every business model, including religion. It infects everything: our monetary system and policies; the uniform commercial code; the medical/chemical/pharmaceutical industry, and its business of organized religion transcends international borders.
The Roman Catholic church today is the largest business empire on the planet, with vast holdings in stock, real estate, gold, silver, precious metals, artifacts and paintings etc. It has its own bank, its own pharmaceutical wing, its own covert intelligence apparatus (the Jesuits) and its own army.
All governments are corporations.
All courts are corporations.
And yes, all organized religions are corporations too.
The Roman Catholic church (which is run by crypto-counterfeit Jews that call themselves "Jesuits") CREATED the organized religion known as "Islam", hoping to use it as a mercenary army to conquer Jerusalem for the Vatican, only to have that plan backfire on them.
Anyone who still believes there is separation between church and state has no idea what they're talking about.
CHURCH AND STATE ARE TWO HEADS OF THE SAME BEAST SYSTEM (Church/Levi-athan and Behemoth/State). They are used to divide, conquer and lead anyone foolish enough to follow them to their destruction.
Clay, unlike solid metal, is MOLDABLE. It can be shaped in the potter's hand into what it needs to be, which is symbolic of the believing REMNANT of the "House of Israel".
Jeremiah 18:6 O House of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the "I AM". Behold, as the clay [is] in the potter's hand, so [are] ye in Mine hand, O House of Israel.
The Israelite nations of the world were meant to be a demonstration people to the rest of the world, of how wonderful it is to live by God's Law. Had we kept our Covenant Promise to God, we wouldn't be suffering under the oppression and injustice that goes on today in all of the Israelite nations, nor would we still be living under Roman "law".
THAT is why we can be absolutely certain that the feet of iron AND clay symbolize Rome and the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, which today are the Israelite nations of the world. The 10 toes represent the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, the remnant of which will come out of the beast system, symbolized by the figure of a MAN (which was created on the 6th day, and thinks only of his own selfishness - man, man, man - 666).
"10 lost tribes:" Are you guys still on that kick? The only people who are truly lost are those who attempt to study the Bible without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity.
"The Beast system." Sounds like something I cooked last night in my microwave. "Beast system???????"
What a bunch of nonsense.
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Post #90One of Jehovah's Witnesses did not write the post that you are commenting on. JWs are not "still on that kick" of 10 lost tribes. It makes no sense.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:25 pmAnother Watchtower concoction of words: "Israelite nations of the world:" What the heck is that?A Freeman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:11 pmThe Roman Empire was one of the most powerful and longest lasting empires in the world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:14 amWhy do we know that the common interpretation of fhe feet of iron and clay representing THR CATHOLIC CHURCH is incorrect
1. The entire figure was governmental/politcal it is inconsistent therefore to suggest the metals changed from governmental/politcal to ---> religious.
2. The iron has already been identified as being the ROME EMPIRE; unlike the previous powers which changed, the feet remained the same (political) element as the legs the ONLY difference being its ecudting in a diluted/weakened and broken up condition. So we are looking at the political of ancient ROME (albeit renamed) contining in a weakened fractured form.
3. Each element of the statue was a WORLD power the final one of which is present as such at the final destruction. The Catholic church does not dominate the Islamic world and regardless of its covert influence does not have the military muscle to be considered a world power.
The Roman Empire lives on today in every government, every courtroom and every business model, including religion. It infects everything: our monetary system and policies; the uniform commercial code; the medical/chemical/pharmaceutical industry, and its business of organized religion transcends international borders.
The Roman Catholic church today is the largest business empire on the planet, with vast holdings in stock, real estate, gold, silver, precious metals, artifacts and paintings etc. It has its own bank, its own pharmaceutical wing, its own covert intelligence apparatus (the Jesuits) and its own army.
All governments are corporations.
All courts are corporations.
And yes, all organized religions are corporations too.
The Roman Catholic church (which is run by crypto-counterfeit Jews that call themselves "Jesuits") CREATED the organized religion known as "Islam", hoping to use it as a mercenary army to conquer Jerusalem for the Vatican, only to have that plan backfire on them.
Anyone who still believes there is separation between church and state has no idea what they're talking about.
CHURCH AND STATE ARE TWO HEADS OF THE SAME BEAST SYSTEM (Church/Levi-athan and Behemoth/State). They are used to divide, conquer and lead anyone foolish enough to follow them to their destruction.
Clay, unlike solid metal, is MOLDABLE. It can be shaped in the potter's hand into what it needs to be, which is symbolic of the believing REMNANT of the "House of Israel".
Jeremiah 18:6 O House of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the "I AM". Behold, as the clay [is] in the potter's hand, so [are] ye in Mine hand, O House of Israel.
The Israelite nations of the world were meant to be a demonstration people to the rest of the world, of how wonderful it is to live by God's Law. Had we kept our Covenant Promise to God, we wouldn't be suffering under the oppression and injustice that goes on today in all of the Israelite nations, nor would we still be living under Roman "law".
THAT is why we can be absolutely certain that the feet of iron AND clay symbolize Rome and the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, which today are the Israelite nations of the world. The 10 toes represent the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, the remnant of which will come out of the beast system, symbolized by the figure of a MAN (which was created on the 6th day, and thinks only of his own selfishness - man, man, man - 666).
"10 lost tribes:" Are you guys still on that kick? The only people who are truly lost are those who attempt to study the Bible without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity.
"The Beast system." Sounds like something I cooked last night in my microwave. "Beast system???????"
What a bunch of nonsense.