The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
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The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #1Daniel's chapter about the great image (chapter 2) is very significant within any discussion of the end times and when God's Kingdom comes (Matt.6:9,10). After perusing this chapter, and perhaps viewing this image on other websites, what is your understanding of the meaning of this image and its being hit by a rock from the mountain?
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Re: The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #91Revelations 16:13-14JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:47 amGranted Rome's laws, culture, influence and religion continue , but Rome no longer exists as a world power. Think of it like Elvis continuing to influence modern day music but the man himself is dead. The iron of the feet cannot be the Roman empire since the Roman Empire no longer exists. The Catholic church does not have the political and military power to be considered a World empire even if in the past it arguably did.
We have but to observe the major players on the world scene to see what countries finally grew out of the territories of Rome to finally dominate our present political scene.
16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the Earth and of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to The Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty.
There are three “city-states” on Earth which control all of the evil unleashed on mankind:
1) London, which is the financial capital of the world for “the crown”;
2) Rome, which is the religious capital of the world, home to the Vatican, i.e. the “Great Whore” and “mother of harlots” (the mother church); and
3) Washington, D.C., which is the military capital of the world.
https://www.sinhalanet.net/three-corpor ... tican-city
These three “city-states” are controlled by three positions, which themselves claim to be the trustees (owners) of ALL of the world's material possessions:-
1) the British Monarch;
2) the pope; and
3) the North American (U.S.) postmaster
https://anticorruptionsociety.files.wor ... le-pdf.pdf
The reason they are likened to frogs is because one never knows in what direction a frog will jump or how far, i.e. no one knows what these evil people will destroy next and how far they will take it.
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Re: The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #92It has nothing to do with the "Watchtower". And, since you asked, It's straight out of Scripture.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:25 pmAnother Watchtower concoction of words: "Israelite nations of the world:" What the heck is that?A Freeman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:11 pmThe Roman Empire was one of the most powerful and longest lasting empires in the world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:14 amWhy do we know that the common interpretation of fhe feet of iron and clay representing THR CATHOLIC CHURCH is incorrect
1. The entire figure was governmental/politcal it is inconsistent therefore to suggest the metals changed from governmental/politcal to ---> religious.
2. The iron has already been identified as being the ROME EMPIRE; unlike the previous powers which changed, the feet remained the same (political) element as the legs the ONLY difference being its ecudting in a diluted/weakened and broken up condition. So we are looking at the political of ancient ROME (albeit renamed) contining in a weakened fractured form.
3. Each element of the statue was a WORLD power the final one of which is present as such at the final destruction. The Catholic church does not dominate the Islamic world and regardless of its covert influence does not have the military muscle to be considered a world power.
The Roman Empire lives on today in every government, every courtroom and every business model, including religion. It infects everything: our monetary system and policies; the uniform commercial code; the medical/chemical/pharmaceutical industry, and its business of organized religion transcends international borders.
The Roman Catholic church today is the largest business empire on the planet, with vast holdings in stock, real estate, gold, silver, precious metals, artifacts and paintings etc. It has its own bank, its own pharmaceutical wing, its own covert intelligence apparatus (the Jesuits) and its own army.
All governments are corporations.
All courts are corporations.
And yes, all organized religions are corporations too.
The Roman Catholic church (which is run by crypto-counterfeit Jews that call themselves "Jesuits") CREATED the organized religion known as "Islam", hoping to use it as a mercenary army to conquer Jerusalem for the Vatican, only to have that plan backfire on them.
Anyone who still believes there is separation between church and state has no idea what they're talking about.
CHURCH AND STATE ARE TWO HEADS OF THE SAME BEAST SYSTEM (Church/Levi-athan and Behemoth/State). They are used to divide, conquer and lead anyone foolish enough to follow them to their destruction.
Clay, unlike solid metal, is MOLDABLE. It can be shaped in the potter's hand into what it needs to be, which is symbolic of the believing REMNANT of the "House of Israel".
Jeremiah 18:6 O House of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the "I AM". Behold, as the clay [is] in the potter's hand, so [are] ye in Mine hand, O House of Israel.
The Israelite nations of the world were meant to be a demonstration people to the rest of the world, of how wonderful it is to live by God's Law. Had we kept our Covenant Promise to God, we wouldn't be suffering under the oppression and injustice that goes on today in all of the Israelite nations, nor would we still be living under Roman "law".
THAT is why we can be absolutely certain that the feet of iron AND clay symbolize Rome and the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, which today are the Israelite nations of the world. The 10 toes represent the 10 "Lost" Tribes of Israel, the remnant of which will come out of the beast system, symbolized by the figure of a MAN (which was created on the 6th day, and thinks only of his own selfishness - man, man, man - 666).
Genesis 35:10-11
35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob (the Supplanter): thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel (champion of God).
35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Anyone who is actually guided by the Holy Spirit knows there is no nonsensical 3=1 "trinity", a concoction of the pagan Roman Catholic church/"great whore".placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:25 pm "10 lost tribes:" Are you guys still on that kick? The only people who are truly lost are those who attempt to study the Bible without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
Revelation 13:1-4placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:25 pm "The Beast system." Sounds like something I cooked last night in my microwave. "Beast system???????"
What a bunch of nonsense.
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the "sea" (Isa. 17:12-13), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon its horns ten crowns, and upon its heads the name of blasphemy.
13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and its feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and its mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon (Rev. 12:9) gave it his power, and his throne, and great authority.
13:3 And I saw one of its heads as it were wounded to death (Rev. 17:8-11); and its deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast (system).
13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war against it?
Revelation 17
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come here; I will show unto thee the Judgment of the great "Whore" that sitteth upon many "waters":
17:2 With whom the kings of the Earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the Earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of her saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Why didst thou marvel? (Stop it!) I will tell thee the MYSTERY of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were NOT written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (Rome).
17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even it is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
17:14 These shall make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.
17:15 And he saith unto me, The "waters" which thou sawest, where the "Whore" sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the "Whore", and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill His Will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great CITY, which reigneth over the kings of the Earth (Rome).
P.S. Perhaps if you stopped irradiating your food in a microwave oven, which not only destroys the nutritional value of the food but makes it toxic to the human body, you would start to "see" the satanic, beast system all around you: runaway consumerism/materialism, which is destroying the planet and which has produced the corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional courts and the corporate fictional religions of the world, which devour men.
Microwave ovens are extremely unhealthy, as are nonsensical beliefs in religious superstitions and traditions, e.g. "the trinity".
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Re: The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2
Post #93It is not constructive to mix prophecies indiscriminately without respecting the constraints of each particular biblical prophecy. Nebuchadnezzars image delt with consecutive POLITICAL entities (Babylon-Medo/Persia-Greece-Rome); there can be no accurate interpretation without respecting the constraints presented in each independent prophecy. Daniel, Revelation, Ezekiel, they are all linked but one cannot properly see how they are related by cutting away a particular constraint imposed by context.
Ancient ROME was the capital of the Roman empire but that empire was not primarily a religious entity, it was a military/political power. If (as was the case) a religious empire subsequently arose and welded RELIGIOUS influence over certain areas (The Catholic church being part of but not all of the religious makeup of the planet) then it is not featured in the particular prophetic image recorded in Daniel chapter 2. Yes, we have a different prophecy in the book of Revelation, that speaks about a RELIGIOUS empire but there is no scriptural basis to superimpose that prophecy (of Babylon the Great = religious) on the very specific prophecy of Daniel Chapter 2 = political.If Nebuchanazzar image is political then this must hold throughout and any links with other prophetic images must link through that same POLITICAL (not religious) element. If no direct link can be established we have two separate prophecies. PERIOD
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