Evidence for the supernatural

[Angel]

I found video footage of a ghost but I don't know if it's of a ghost being or a ghost car or maybe both. The video shows a cop chasing a car, and the car that's being chased is referred to by some as a ghost car. The car that is being chased drives through a fence and leaves no damage. It's as if it pass through the solid fence the same way ghosts are said to pass through walls, as if the wall isn't there. The commentator on the video mentions that the police reported that the fence was still intact after the ghost car drove right through it. All this is caught on the police car camera so it's not just some random person like me and you capturing the video. It was also broadcasted on Court TV channel which is a fairly legitimate cable channel. Unless the cops were on drugs, you'd think they would also inspect the fence for any possible signs of damage, but then again the video clearly shows that the fence did not have the damage that you'd think a car driving through it would leave. The commentator or host on the video mentions that the cops reported that the fence was intact. I believe it is probably a real ghost car and the incident is still unexplained as far as I know.

Here's the videos (all 3 are of the same thing. The regular video, enlarged video, enhanced video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLBtm__aKw youtube video of "Ghost car"


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3027464017 same "ghost car" video but just with a larger size video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwqr7ZfA ... L&index=28 a video showing attempts to enhance the video


For debating purposes:

For those who don't agree that this is an authentic video footage of a supernatural event, please explain why and prove it. I won't put much stock into anyone who just is posting pet theories, I'd prefer verifiable evidence or proof.

[Guest]

I found video footage of a ghost but I don't know if it's of a ghost being or a ghost car or maybe both. The video shows a cop chasing a car, and the car that's being chased is referred to by some as a ghost car. The car that is being chased drives through a fence and leaves no damage. It's as if it pass through the solid fence the same way ghosts are said to pass through walls, as if the wall isn't there. The commentator on the video mentions that the police reported that the fence was still intact after the ghost car drove right through it. All this is caught on the police car camera so it's not just some random person like me and you capturing the video. It was also broadcasted on Court TV channel which is a fairly legitimate cable channel. Unless the cops were on drugs, you'd think they would also inspect the fence for any possible signs of damage, but then again the video clearly shows that the fence did not have the damage that you'd think a car driving through it would leave. The commentator or host on the video mentions that the cops reported that the fence was intact. I believe it is probably a real ghost car and the incident is still unexplained as far as I know.

Here's the videos (all 3 are of the same thing. The regular video, enlarged video, enhanced video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLBtm__aKw youtube video of "Ghost car"


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3027464017 same "ghost car" video but just with a larger size video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwqr7ZfA ... L&index=28 a video showing attempts to enhance the video


For debating purposes:

For those who don't agree that this is an authentic video footage of a supernatural event, please explain why and prove it. I won't put much stock into anyone who just is posting pet theories, I'd prefer verifiable evidence or proof.

It looks to me like the car drover under the fence, As the camera turns to the left, you can see the fence dropping. The shape of the car would have made the fence go up and allowed it to go under. The police car just stopped instead of going thorugh it like the other car did.

[Angel]

It looks to me like the car drover under the fence, As the camera turns to the left, you can see the fence dropping. The shape of the car would have made the fence go up and allowed it to go under. The police car just stopped instead of going thorugh it like the other car did.

I thought of that before as well but it didn't add up. The only way is if the fence went back to it's normal position after being driven through but this doesn't add up neither. Once you drive through a fence you have to break links on the gate and it would leave the gate bent up or with a gap. The host on the video mentions that the cops reported that the fence was still intact as well. The cop car also drove up to the same spot where the car went through the fence and there was no noticeable damage to the gate from the video.

[Celestial Dragon]

I found video footage of a ghost but I don't know if it's of a ghost being or a ghost car or maybe both. The video shows a cop chasing a car, and the car that's being chased is referred to by some as a ghost car. The car that is being chased drives through a fence and leaves no damage. It's as if it pass through the solid fence the same way ghosts are said to pass through walls, as if the wall isn't there. The commentator on the video mentions that the police reported that the fence was still intact after the ghost car drove right through it. All this is caught on the police car camera so it's not just some random person like me and you capturing the video. It was also broadcasted on Court TV channel which is a fairly legitimate cable channel. Unless the cops were on drugs, you'd think they would also inspect the fence for any possible signs of damage, but then again the video clearly shows that the fence did not have the damage that you'd think a car driving through it would leave. The commentator or host on the video mentions that the cops reported that the fence was intact. I believe it is probably a real ghost car and the incident is still unexplained as far as I know.

Here's the videos (all 3 are of the same thing. The regular video, enlarged video, enhanced video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLBtm__aKw youtube video of "Ghost car"


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3027464017 same "ghost car" video but just with a larger size video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwqr7ZfA ... L&index=28 a video showing attempts to enhance the video


For debating purposes:

For those who don't agree that this is an authentic video footage of a supernatural event, please explain why and prove it. I won't put much stock into anyone who just is posting pet theories, I'd prefer verifiable evidence or proof.

It looks to me like the car drover under the fence, As the camera turns to the left, you can see the fence dropping. The shape of the car would have made the fence go up and allowed it to go under. The police car just stopped instead of going through it like the other car did.

This is my thoughts also.

I thought of that before as well but it didn't add up. The only way is if the fence went back to it's normal position after being driven through but this doesn't add up neither. Once you drive through a fence you have to break links on the gate and it would leave the gate bent up or with a gap. The host on the video mentions that the cops reported that the fence was still intact as well. The cop car also drove up to the same spot where the car went through the fence and there was no noticeable damage to the gate from the video.

Look at the gate closely. It very much looks like there are no side links at the bottom to connect the wire mesh and the metal bar structure. It also seems that the fence was wavering as if something had come into contact with it.

Also notice the downhill slope right before the fence. This would have made it easier for something to go under the fence.

And a question I've always wondered about ghosts anyway: how do they decide which matter they can come into contact with, and which ones they can go through?

[Furrowed Brow]

For those who don't agree that this is an authentic video footage of a supernatural event, please explain why and prove it. I won't put much stock into anyone who just is posting pet theories, I'd prefer verifiable evidence or proof.

I’ll go with SCB. It looks like we have a choice: either the car is the other side of fence with lights turned out……or there is a whole world of being and unknown forces that go joy riding.

The response to want to see some super natural intervention, and not work out the physical explanation. Like why even go there?

As a side point: I saw a British psychological magician Derren Brown at the Adelphi theatre in London Saturday night. His stock trade is debunking spiritualism. Part of his act is cold reading people. He can tell you the name of your grandparents, your first job, the name of your first girl friend that kind of thing in around 60 seconds and asking about three or four questions. The guy is a genius at this kind of thing. But he clearly explains he is not a spiritualist. His act is down to stage craft and psychology….yet people do to see spiritualists who are not as good as Derren Brown and think there is something supernatural going on. I even know some people who think he is lying and that he is really a spiritualist because they cannot believe the more real fact he is just uses a lot of skill to get results that look unbelievable. But what is really supernatural is his ability to sell out theatres at £44 a seat. That really is supernatural.

Here’s a link to his one off TV special Messiah


I think the answer to the OP is that you see what you want to see. Your evidence is the video you linked.

Can you prove Derren Brown is lying and he really is a spiritualist?

[Angel]

It looks to me like the car drover under the fence, As the camera turns to the left, you can see the fence dropping. The shape of the car would have made the fence go up and allowed it to go under. The police car just stopped instead of going through it like the other car did.

This is my thoughts also.

I thought of that before as well but it didn't add up. The only way is if the fence went back to it's normal position after being driven through but this doesn't add up neither. Once you drive through a fence you have to break links on the gate and it would leave the gate bent up or with a gap. The host on the video mentions that the cops reported that the fence was still intact as well. The cop car also drove up to the same spot where the car went through the fence and there was no noticeable damage to the gate from the video.

Look at the gate closely. It very much looks like there are no side links at the bottom to connect the wire mesh and the metal bar structure. It also seems that the fence was wavering as if something had come into contact with it.

Also notice the downhill slope right before the fence. This would have made it easier for something to go under the fence.

I honestly don't see a downward slope but I'll take a couple of more looks. Also, do you mean that the gate was high enough for a car to fit under it without having to touch or damage the gate?

If so, one evidence I see against that is by looking at how the cop car and the suspect car moves when approaching the gate. I don't see either of the cars taking a downward slant as would happen if you were driving downhill. For a closer look of this, when the cop car pulls up to the gate, the height of the cop car is well above the gate's base or bottom which would mean if the cop car drove through the gate, it would definitely make contact with the gate at above the base and even up to the center (height-wise) of the gate and cause damage. Keep in mind the cop car pulled up to the exact spot at the gate where the car went through. I also once again have to reference the commentator's mentioning of the police seeing the gate still intact also mentioning that they're unable to make sense of it.

As for the wavering of the gate, I actually think that is just the reflection of the cop car lights. The lights of the cop car are constantly moving around in the circles and as they the lights reflect off of the gate, it gives the appearance that the gate is moving when it's really the reflection of the cop car's lights that are moving. Best analogy I can think of this is stand on a bridge, and look at the passing current of the water, it will seem as if the bridge is moving, when it's really just the water current that your eye is fixed on that gives that effect.

And a question I've always wondered about ghosts anyway: how do they decide which matter they can come into contact with, and which ones they can go through?

I honestly don't know the answer to this question, and I can only go along with what I see and try to examine it the best I can.

[Celestial Dragon]

Look at the gate closely. It very much looks like there are no side links at the bottom to connect the wire mesh and the metal bar structure. It also seems that the fence was wavering as if something had come into contact with it.

Also notice the downhill slope right before the fence. This would have made it easier for something to go under the fence.

I honestly don't sleep a downward slope but I'll take a couple of more looks. Also, do you mean that the gate was high enough for a car to fit under it without having to touch or damage the gate? If so, one evidence I see against that is by looking at how the cop car and the suspect car is drives when approaching the gate. I don't see either of the cars taking a downward slant as would happen if you were driving downhill. For a closer look of this, when the cop car pulls up to the gate, the height of the cop car is well above the gate's base or bottom which would mean if the cop car drove through the gate, it would definitely make contact with the gate at the center (height-wise) of the gate and cause damage.

It appears to me there is a slight downward slope, but of course it is always possible that I am mistaken. Another reason I think so is that the height of the police car is a little too high in reference to the gate (pause it and tell me if you think so too). Thus I think the squad car hasn't yet gone down the slight incline that I believe is there.

I also once again have to reference the commentator's mentioning of the police seeing the gate still intact also mentioning that they're unable to make sense of it.

I'm sorry, but I do not really trust anything they have to say, because many people have a tendency to exaggerate and embellish stories to make them seem more interesting and what-have-you (and even outright lie sometimes). The video is the only real source of reliable evidence, and I'd prefer to not resort to trusting human recollections.

As for the wavering of the gate, I actually think that is just the reflection of the cop car lights. The lights of the cop car are constantly moving around in the circles and as they the lights reflect off of the gate, it gives the appearance that the gate is moving when it's really the reflection of the cop car's lights that are moving. Best analogy I can think of this is stand on a bridge, and look at the passing current of the water, it will seem as if the bridge is moving, when it's really just the water current that you're eye is fixed on that gives that effect.

I understand what you're saying. It's a viable possibility, but I'm not sure just yet.

Maybe I'll do a little more research. Does anyone have time to listen to the radio transmissions and find out the street names, then use Google Maps to locate and look at satelite images of the area? This is in Garden City, NY, apparently.

[Angel]

For those who don't agree that this is an authentic video footage of a supernatural event, please explain why and prove it. I won't put much stock into anyone who just is posting pet theories, I'd prefer verifiable evidence or proof.

I’ll go with SCB. It looks like we have a choice: either the car is the other side of fence with lights turned out……or there is a whole world of being and unknown forces that go joy riding.

The response to want to see some super natural intervention, and not work out the physical explanation. Like why even go there?

To be honest, I have thought through common sense explanations. I'm assuming so did the cops who were at the scene and were baffled themselves according to the host who speaks on the video.

As a side point: I saw a British psychological magician Derren Brown at the Adelphi theatre in London Saturday night. His stock trade is debunking spiritualism. Part of his act is cold reading people. He can tell you the name of your grandparents, your first job, the name of your first girl friend that kind of thing in around 60 seconds and asking about three or four questions. The guy is a genius at this kind of thing. But he clearly explains he is not a spiritualist. His act is down to stage craft and psychology….yet people do to see spiritualists who are not as good as Derren Brown and think there is something supernatural going on. I even know some people who think he is lying and that he is really a spiritualist because they cannot believe the more real fact he is just uses a lot of skill to get results that look unbelievable. But what is really supernatural is his ability to sell out theatres at £44 a seat. That really is supernatural.

I've heard similar stories involving others as well.

I think the answer to the OP is that you see what you want to see. Your evidence is the video you linked.

This statement can apply to anyone. We all have our biases but as I mentioned before, I have tried to figure out common sense explanations but could not come up with any nor did I read any from anyone else thus far.

By the way the video you posted a link for is saying it does not work in my region. Do you have another one?

Can you prove Derren Brown is lying and he really is a spiritualist?

It depends on what he's claiming his abilities are and if they're necessarily unnatural. I may not have enough to go by in this case, whereas I KNOW that when it comes to a CAR vs GATE, there would be physical damage or some break in the gate rather than the gate being intact still.

Just the simple fact that he has to ask questions says something because it is from there that he has the opportunity to gain information. He's likely asking the right questions, and being a psychologists he has a keen ability to psychoanalyze people, and draw near correct inferences from the questions and psychoanalyzing. Having this explanation in mind, I would not consider what Derren Brown does as anything supernatural or bizarre even compared to my footage in the OP.

I'd be real impressed if he could drive a car through a solid fence without causing any damage to the fence.

[Angel]

I honestly don't sleep a downward slope but I'll take a couple of more looks. Also, do you mean that the gate was high enough for a car to fit under it without having to touch or damage the gate? If so, one evidence I see against that is by looking at how the cop car and the suspect car is drives when approaching the gate. I don't see either of the cars taking a downward slant as would happen if you were driving downhill. For a closer look of this, when the cop car pulls up to the gate, the height of the cop car is well above the gate's base or bottom which would mean if the cop car drove through the gate, it would definitely make contact with the gate at the center (height-wise) of the gate and cause damage.

It appears to me there is a slight downward slope, but of course it is always possible that I am mistaken. Another reason I think so is that the height of the police car is a little too high in reference to the gate (pause it and tell me if you think so too). Thus I think the squad car hasn't yet gone down the slight incline that I believe is there.

The only thing that's keeping me from accepting that is seeing how close the cop car is to the gate, especially the front left side. If it has not reached the dip that may be there yet, being that close I don't see a way it could've fit under the gate without hitting a good portion of the gate. It would've probably gave the ghost car a convertible by ripping the top off and possibly even decapitating the driver (if the driver wasn’t some ghost being that is). Your explanation and SacredCowBurgers same explanation are the best I've heard so far when it comes to natural or common sense explanations.

I also once again have to reference the commentator's mentioning of the police seeing the gate still intact also mentioning that they're unable to make sense of it.

I'm sorry, but I do not really trust anything they have to say, because many people have a tendency to exaggerate and embellish stories to make them seem more interesting and what-have-you (and even outright lie sometimes). The video is the only real source of reliable evidence, and I'd prefer to not resort to trusting human recollections.

Court TV would allow that? To be serious though, I do believe you in that that's very possible. I've been searching for the police reports and many others have, and I don't believe anyone who other than perhaps Court TV maybe has gotten their hands on any official reports.

As for the wavering of the gate, I actually think that is just the reflection of the cop car lights. The lights of the cop car are constantly moving around in the circles and as they the lights reflect off of the gate, it gives the appearance that the gate is moving when it's really the reflection of the cop car's lights that are moving. Best analogy I can think of this is stand on a bridge, and look at the passing current of the water, it will seem as if the bridge is moving, when it's really just the water current that you're eye is fixed on that gives that effect.

I understand what you're saying. It's a viable possibility, but I'm not sure just yet.

Maybe I'll do a little more research. Does anyone have time to listen to the radio transmissions and find out the street names, then use Google Maps to locate and look at satelite images of the area? This is in Garden City, NY, apparently.

The exact state this "Garden City" place is in, some have debated about on YouTube but most do believe it's in New York, particularly in Long Island. How many Garden City Police Departments (Garden City PD) can there be? I'm tempted to call Court TV to see if they have a longer version of the video, like one where they show the cops actually investigating the scene. Other than that, I can try to look for this particular police station and call them also.

[Furrowed Brow]

I'd be real impressed if he could drive a car through a solid fence without causing any damage to the fence.

Shame about the link. that one was the full programme. Try this one. Link It is a five minute segment.

As for the car. It either ended up the other side of the fence, or the film is doctored or there is some of mundane reason not obvious from watching the film. But just because something looks "spooky" is no reason to invoke the supernatural. Hope the link works it can of makes the point nicely.