Good question P4JC.Pastor4Jesus wrote:
What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead. giving that it happened way before cameras etc were invented?
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What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead?
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What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead?
Post #1Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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First off, you really cannot prove historical events. Do some research on historical methods if you need an education on how historians verify past events.
That said, my response would be, what have you got? The somewhat contradictory writings of the promoters of a new religion writing decades after the events. Uh-huh. What else? A few secular references to the existence of a community of believers in the late first century. OK, really good. Not! What else is there?
That said, my response would be, what have you got? The somewhat contradictory writings of the promoters of a new religion writing decades after the events. Uh-huh. What else? A few secular references to the existence of a community of believers in the late first century. OK, really good. Not! What else is there?
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
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I don't think you'd be able to.
How could one verify a miracle, even in todays world? This links in with this thread from the science section. A miracle would only ever come up as something unexplained within science so calling it a miracle would always be pre-emptive.
This is a problem for those claiming that he did rise from the dead...they have to figure out how to prove it.
How could one verify a miracle, even in todays world? This links in with this thread from the science section. A miracle would only ever come up as something unexplained within science so calling it a miracle would always be pre-emptive.
This is a problem for those claiming that he did rise from the dead...they have to figure out how to prove it.
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I would probably be somewhat convinced that he rose from the dead if the other sun entities of other cultures didnt act exactly like him.
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Pastor4Jesus wrote:
"What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead. giving that it happened way before cameras etc were invented?"
That is a problem, isn't it? Lies, distortions, baseless rumors, over active imaginations, these are all perfectly common human characteristics. And made up stories, especially stories of incredible deeds and events, are as common as mud. In our times we go to movies to experience such excitement. In ancient times though, they were the bailiwick of storytellers. And who doesn't like a rousing good story, huh? And in a good story ANYTHING can happen. Even a flying reanimated corpse. In REAL LIFE though, well, I've never experienced a reanimated corpse, and I don't know anyone else who has. Do you? It's only the cornerstone of your faith after all. Shouldn't there be some actual reason to suppose that it really happened? Why do YOU believe it, outside of the warm fuzzy feeling it gives you, I mean.
"What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead. giving that it happened way before cameras etc were invented?"
That is a problem, isn't it? Lies, distortions, baseless rumors, over active imaginations, these are all perfectly common human characteristics. And made up stories, especially stories of incredible deeds and events, are as common as mud. In our times we go to movies to experience such excitement. In ancient times though, they were the bailiwick of storytellers. And who doesn't like a rousing good story, huh? And in a good story ANYTHING can happen. Even a flying reanimated corpse. In REAL LIFE though, well, I've never experienced a reanimated corpse, and I don't know anyone else who has. Do you? It's only the cornerstone of your faith after all. Shouldn't there be some actual reason to suppose that it really happened? Why do YOU believe it, outside of the warm fuzzy feeling it gives you, I mean.
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Answer the question.Tired of the BS wrote:Pastor4Jesus wrote:
"What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead. giving that it happened way before cameras etc were invented?"
That is a problem, isn't it? Lies, distortions, baseless rumors, over active imaginations, these are all perfectly common human characteristics. And made up stories, especially stories of incredible deeds and events, are as common as mud. In our times we go to movies to experience such excitement. In ancient times though, they were the bailiwick of storytellers. And who doesn't like a rousing good story, huh? And in a good story ANYTHING can happen. Even a flying reanimated corpse. In REAL LIFE though, well, I've never experienced a reanimated corpse, and I don't know anyone else who has. Do you? It's only the cornerstone of your faith after all. Shouldn't there be some actual reason to suppose that it really happened? Why do YOU believe it, outside of the warm fuzzy feeling it gives you, I mean.
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Pastor4Jesus wrote:
"Answer the question."
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Tired of the BS answers back:
Well gee, it would have to be something substantial wouldn't it? Something hard to dispute. We are only talking of a reanimated corpse here. That's a relatively specious claim, wouldn't you agree? Some good solid reason to suppose it has even a small chance of being true would be a nice start. What have you got? Your the Pastor4Jesus after all. Aren't you supposed to go forth and proclaim the good news? Don't you have something more to offer than your own personal good feelings that it's all true? So pastor me. I'm listening at least. What more could you ask for? Others are watching by the way, so make it good.
"Answer the question."
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Tired of the BS answers back:
Well gee, it would have to be something substantial wouldn't it? Something hard to dispute. We are only talking of a reanimated corpse here. That's a relatively specious claim, wouldn't you agree? Some good solid reason to suppose it has even a small chance of being true would be a nice start. What have you got? Your the Pastor4Jesus after all. Aren't you supposed to go forth and proclaim the good news? Don't you have something more to offer than your own personal good feelings that it's all true? So pastor me. I'm listening at least. What more could you ask for? Others are watching by the way, so make it good.
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I don't see that as answering the question. All you're saying is "show me something and I'll determine if it's good enough." That's not the question. Better make the answer good, Christians are watching.Tired of the BS wrote:Pastor4Jesus wrote:
"Answer the question."
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Tired of the BS answers back:
Well gee, it would have to be something substantial wouldn't it? Something hard to dispute. We are only talking of a reanimated corpse here. That's a relatively specious claim, wouldn't you agree? Some good solid reason to suppose it has even a small chance of being true would be a nice start. What have you got? Your the Pastor4Jesus after all. Aren't you supposed to go forth and proclaim the good news? Don't you have something more to offer than your own personal good feelings that it's all true? So pastor me. I'm listening at least. What more could you ask for? Others are watching by the way, so make it good.
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Re: What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dea
Post #9Short of the invention of a time machine, there probably is no way to prove that Jesus rose from the dead.McCulloch wrote:Good question P4JC.Pastor4Jesus wrote:
What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead. giving that it happened way before cameras etc were invented?
P4JC
However, we could increase our confidence in the hypothesis of Jesus' resurrection if we could observe people today being raised from the dead after several days of internment. Regrettably, the evidence for resurrections is lacking and therefore the hypothesis looks rather dubious.
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cholland wrote:
"I don't see that as answering the question. All you're saying is "show me something and I'll determine if it's good enough." That's not the question. Better make the answer good, Christians are watching."
Tired of the BS answers back:
I notice that I said to Pastor4Jesus that it would require "Some good solid reason to suppose it has even a small chance of being true." That was a good answer. His question was, ""What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead." Some reasonable semblance of proof would be nice. Something that one could look at and say, "well, yes that's reasonable." "Proof" isn't really possible though, is it? To subjective. Well a good solid reason to believe it would be a beginning. Is that too much to ask? And I have put that very question to you repeatedly. I notice that you folks to seem suspiciously bashful about telling us all about what it is you think you believe in. Don't YOU know either? What are you worried about? You know God is on your side.
"I don't see that as answering the question. All you're saying is "show me something and I'll determine if it's good enough." That's not the question. Better make the answer good, Christians are watching."
Tired of the BS answers back:
I notice that I said to Pastor4Jesus that it would require "Some good solid reason to suppose it has even a small chance of being true." That was a good answer. His question was, ""What would it take to prove that Jesus rose from the dead." Some reasonable semblance of proof would be nice. Something that one could look at and say, "well, yes that's reasonable." "Proof" isn't really possible though, is it? To subjective. Well a good solid reason to believe it would be a beginning. Is that too much to ask? And I have put that very question to you repeatedly. I notice that you folks to seem suspiciously bashful about telling us all about what it is you think you believe in. Don't YOU know either? What are you worried about? You know God is on your side.
