On "Peace"

[JoeyKnothead]

From the General Chat section, I found this'n...

We are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) and have his spirit imprinted on our heart (Ezekiel 36:27).

I challenge anyone to show:

1- God exists (for thoroughness) (pick one or more).
2- We are made in God's image.
3- We have His "spirit" imprinted on our hearts.

Therefore, we will find peace only when our spirit resonates in unison with His spirit and we live a life that is attuned to His life (which is a life of selflessness and sacrifice).

I challenge anyone to show:

4- Peace is only found when our "spirit" resonates in unison with God's.
5- Among that peace we must also live a life "atuned" to that of God.

When we do not live His life or are not in unison with Him, we are like fish out of water; because, then, we are not what we are created to be.

I challenge any to show that in the common religious sense we are...

6- Created, and created with a specific purpose implied by the above quote.

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He commands us to forgive without any limit (Matthew 18:22) and love one another as He has loved us (John 13:34).

I challenge anyone to show:

7- God commands us to forgive, and specifically under the above terms.
8- God "loves" anything or anyone

He loved us by forgiving us and compensating for the offenses we committed against Him.

I challenge anyone to show:

9- God forgives, and specifically in the fashion specified above.

He compensated for our offenses by sacrificing Hs life.

I challenge anyone to show:

10- God has sacrificed His life.

I challenge these statements because I consider placing them in a part of the forums where debate is discouraged (for all the right reasons there) to be not in the spirit of this site's mission, as I understand it.

[Flail]

From the General Chat section, I found this'n...

We are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) and have his spirit imprinted on our heart (Ezekiel 36:27).

I challenge anyone to show:

1- God exists (for thoroughness) (pick one or more).
2- We are made in God's image.
3- We have His "spirit" imprinted on our hearts.

Therefore, we will find peace only when our spirit resonates in unison with His spirit and we live a life that is attuned to His life (which is a life of selflessness and sacrifice).

I challenge anyone to show:

4- Peace is only found when our "spirit" resonates in unison with God's.
5- Among that peace we must also live a life "atuned" to that of God.

When we do not live His life or are not in unison with Him, we are like fish out of water; because, then, we are not what we are created to be.

I challenge any to show that in the common religious sense we are...

6- Created, and created with a specific purpose implied by the above quote.

...
He commands us to forgive without any limit (Matthew 18:22) and love one another as He has loved us (John 13:34).

I challenge anyone to show:

7- God commands us to forgive, and specifically under the above terms.
8- God "loves" anything or anyone

He loved us by forgiving us and compensating for the offenses we committed against Him.

I challenge anyone to show:

9- God forgives, and specifically in the fashion specified above.

He compensated for our offenses by sacrificing Hs life.

I challenge anyone to show:

10- God has sacrificed His life.

I challenge these statements because I consider placing them in a part of the forums where debate is discouraged (for all the right reasons there) to be not in the spirit of this site's mission, as I understand it.

I doubt you will get much response to these challenges, or any verifiable evidence in support.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the General Chat section, I found this'n...

We are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) and have his spirit imprinted on our heart (Ezekiel 36:27).

I challenge anyone to show:

1- God exists (for thoroughness) (pick one or more).
2- We are made in God's image.
3- We have His "spirit" imprinted on our hearts.

Therefore, we will find peace only when our spirit resonates in unison with His spirit and we live a life that is attuned to His life (which is a life of selflessness and sacrifice).

I challenge anyone to show:

4- Peace is only found when our "spirit" resonates in unison with God's.
5- Among that peace we must also live a life "atuned" to that of God.

When we do not live His life or are not in unison with Him, we are like fish out of water; because, then, we are not what we are created to be.

I challenge any to show that in the common religious sense we are...

6- Created, and created with a specific purpose implied by the above quote.

...
He commands us to forgive without any limit (Matthew 18:22) and love one another as He has loved us (John 13:34).

I challenge anyone to show:

7- God commands us to forgive, and specifically under the above terms.
8- God "loves" anything or anyone

He loved us by forgiving us and compensating for the offenses we committed against Him.

I challenge anyone to show:

9- God forgives, and specifically in the fashion specified above.

He compensated for our offenses by sacrificing Hs life.

I challenge anyone to show:

10- God has sacrificed His life.

I challenge these statements because I consider placing them in a part of the forums where debate is discouraged (for all the right reasons there) to be not in the spirit of this site's mission, as I understand it.

I doubt you will get much response to these challenges, or any verifiable evidence in support.

I doubt it too.

I post the challenges as a means to show some seek to preach, and avoid challenges to their own claims.

[JoshB]

You just watch out with your blasphemin. Jesus is gonna get you.

No, Im just kidding.

There is no evidence for any of these thing you have asked to be proven. Even if God was real, there would STILL be no evidence that he did or feels these things, or even cares about this speck in the universe.

But if this is supposed to be a trap for those who are self-righteous in their beliefs so you can knock 'em down a notch, Im excited to see the outcome.

[naz]

You just watch out with your blasphemin. Jesus is gonna get you.

No, Im just kidding.

There is no evidence for any of these thing you have asked to be proven. Even if God was real, there would STILL be no evidence that he did or feels these things, or even cares about this speck in the universe.

But if this is supposed to be a trap for those who are self-righteous in their beliefs so you can knock 'em down a notch, Im excited to see the outcome.

Why would god need to prove itself to us. Would it not need to be the other way around? Are you saying you are above god, if you don't believe in one?

[Zzyzx]

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Why would god need to prove itself to us. Would it not need to be the other way around? Are you saying you are above god, if you don't believe in one?

None of the thousands of proposed "gods" "need to prove" themselves -- unless they wish to be considered real (or even that they be worshiped, if egocentric).

However, worshipers of such "gods" often claim or act as though their favorite "god" had proved itself to them. If this was true, the "god" involved was proving itself to some and not to others (at least by the claims made) -- and thus deciding who shall become a worshiper and who shall not.

[JoshB]

Why would god need to prove itself to us. Would it not need to be the other way around? Are you saying you are above god, if you don't believe in one?

How in the world did you get that conclusion from what I said?

[naz]

Why would god need to prove itself to us. Would it not need to be the other way around? Are you saying you are above god, if you don't believe in one?

How in the world did you get that conclusion from what I said?

Simple, do you not understand the very things you say?

You just watch out with your blasphemin. Jesus is gonna get you.

No, Im just kidding.

There is no evidence for any of these thing you have asked to be proven. Even if God was real, there would STILL be no evidence that he did or feels these things, or even cares about this speck in the universe.

But if this is supposed to be a trap for those who are self-righteous in their beliefs so you can knock 'em down a notch, Im excited to see the outcome.

When you say evidence you want proof right? Why would god need to prove itself to us. Especially in your view, saying he doesn't care about this speck in the universe. If anyone need to prove themself, then why would it not be the other way around?

If you demand evidence for something that is greater than yourself, why do you not search for the answers on your own, instead of relying on someone else or some type of material or text for answers? Are you saying you are above god, if you don't believe in one? If you don't believe in god then you obviously think you are greater than and above everything else right? Or is it a persons ego or intolerance that leads them to believe such things?

[Zzyzx]

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If you demand evidence for something that is greater than yourself, why do you not search for the answers on your own, instead of relying on someone else or some type of material or text for answers?

I, for one, ask for evidence / proof that CLAIMS made about gods are truthful. Any of the thousands of gods MIGHT be real (as claimed by thousands of competing religions); however, there is no reason (in my opinion) to choose one over others. I have asked religious promoters many times why their favorite god should be accepted as more real than any other " and have yet to receive a coherent answer.

Are you saying you are above god, if you don't believe in one?

How can anyone consider themselves above something they regard as imaginary? That makes no more sense than asking if someone is above Humpty Dumpty.

If you don't believe in god then you obviously think you are greater than and above everything else right?

Not everyone thinks in terms of black or white, above or below. Doing so is often a simplistic approach that selects two items as the only alternatives and demands choose one (of the two I have provided).

Another alternative that may not be apparent in the simplistic approach is neutrality, another is equality.

Why assume that another person obviously thinks what you credit them with?

Or is it a persons ego or intolerance that leads them to believe such things?

Ego and intolerance are, in my observation, closely associated with religious proselytization. I know the TRUTH (and you dont), and I know what is best for others are examples of ego at work (and form the basis of proselytization.

Intolerance is closely associated with the us vs. them, with us or against us, my god is greater than your god mentality promoted by Christian bible stories (supposedly from an intolerant, jealous, angry, egocentric god).

[naz]

I, for one, ask for evidence / proof that CLAIMS made about gods are truthful. Any of the thousands of gods MIGHT be real (as claimed by thousands of competing religions); however, there is no reason (in my opinion) to choose one over others. I have asked religious promoters many times why their favorite god should be accepted as more real than any other " and have yet to receive a coherent answer.

I see nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their part to play and if you see it fit to question a religion then by all means go ahead. I did it for many years before I fully understood a good portion of what I know today about religion and that of Christ. IMO questions are only there to test your own faith and understanding, not someone elses.

Not everyone thinks in terms of black or white, above or below. Doing so is often a simplistic approach that selects two items as the only alternatives and demands choose one (of the two I have provided).

Another alternative that may not be apparent in the simplistic approach is neutrality, another is equality.

Why assume that another person obviously thinks what you credit them with?

Yet Atheist and non-believers base all of their theories or beliefs as arguments against religion. How is that not a simplistic approach or easy way out of something?

Ego and intolerance are, in my observation, closely associated with religious proselytization. I know the TRUTH (and you dont), and I know what is best for others are examples of ego at work (and form the basis of proselytization.

Intolerance is closely associated with the us vs. them, with us or against us, my god is greater than your god mentality promoted by Christian bible stories (supposedly from an intolerant, jealous, angry, egocentric god).

No, you have obviously developed a misconception of faith or that of Christianity. Im sorry you have developed and taken that stance. Tolerance is something that is promoted through Christ, not intolerance.

I will give you a prime example that Im sure both of us can agree on. Americans went through a time of civil liberties (and civil rights) where people were to be created equal no matter their race, creed or culture. Why has it taken people in other parts of the world (and in some cases America) so long to acknowledge extreme prejudice or racism towards religion and other affiliated points of view?
Is that not racism? Just because something happens on one side of the world, doesnt mean it happens in America. However, America seems to be the focal point for reasoning and understading when it comes to human rights because that is what our nation was founded upon. We supposedly have moved beyond that point in time. I was born after the civil rights movement, etc. So I dont see racism or prejudice as problem. But for people who are older than me, they seem to be set in their ways and cant move beyond it. Can you explain that?