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A religionist who realizes (perhaps after some debate experience), that there is no evidence other than ancient tales, conjectures and opinions to support a claim of existence for their favorite "god" in debate, may refine their claims for existence to "god is likely to exist".
Questions for debate:
1. Is a "god" likely to exist? Which "god" or "gods" among the thousands proposed?
2. On what basis can the likelihood of "god's" existence be evaluated?
Is "god" LIKELY to exist?
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Is "god" LIKELY to exist?
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It would seem likelihood is all we'll ever have, and how we can sort this'n out is beyond me.Opie wrote: 1. Is a "god" likely to exist? Which "god" or "gods" among the thousands proposed?
I propose likelihood would require analysis of claims regarding the god. If a given claim can't be shown true, it can reasonably considered to at least be "not likely" (either way - god / not god), based on that claim. Given the brazillion claims regarding a god's existence, and lacking a god showing up to let us know (unprovable Christian claims to the contrary), I can't escape thinking humans will spend an eternity trying to find out if there are or are not gods.Opie wrote: 2. On what basis can the likelihood of "god's" existence be evaluated?
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Post #3There is no basis upon which to determine and verify the actual existence of anything without evidence. Without any evidence there is nothing from which to form a valid definition of what the actual characteristics and identity of any supernatural 'god' creatures would be. Since none of the 'gods' proposed to date have any evidence of existence, it is so far impossible to determine their likelihood, nor should we assume that any proposed 'gods' have or do not have anything at all to do with reality...without evidence anything is possible.Questions for debate:
1. Is a "god" likely to exist? Which "god" or "gods" among the thousands proposed?
2. On what basis can the likelihood of "god's" existence be evaluated?
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Post #4The God that is most likely to exist is the God described in the bible.Zzyzx wrote:.
Questions for debate:
1. Is a "god" likely to exist? Which "god" or "gods" among the thousands proposed?
2. On what basis can the likelihood of "god's" existence be evaluated?
The word God in Gen1:1 is 'elohiym. That word is a plural word in Hebrew.
The meaning can be found http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex ... H430&t=KJV
The meaning includes rulers, judges, messengers.
Rulers, judges and messengers are all people.
People are gods according to Psalm 82:6, John 10:34.
The Hebrew word used in Psalm 82:6 translated as "gods" is the same Hebrew word 'elohiym which is used in Genesis 1:1 translated as "God".
The bible teaches that people are God/gods. ( plural ) Billions of people exist. The gods described in Psalm 82:6 exist as billions of people on this planet.
If you want to see god 'elohiym (Gen 1:1) look at yourself in a mirror and you will see god. 'elohiym (Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods;)
I have evaluated the likelihood of the existence of "god's" according to the biblical description and definition of the gods which exist.
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Your OPINION is noted -- and is worthless as evidence in debate.
Kindly demonstrate to readers that what you say is true (using something more reliable than the talking donkey book).
WHY?Skyangel wrote:The God that is most likely to exist is the God described in the bible.
Your OPINION is noted -- and is worthless as evidence in debate.
Kindly demonstrate to readers that what you say is true (using something more reliable than the talking donkey book).
Over two thousand different "gods" have been proposed, worshiped, feared, venerated or invented by humans. Have you evaluated each one thoroughly?Skyangel wrote:I have evaluated the likelihood of the existence of "god's" according to the biblical description and definition of the gods which exist.
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
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Post #6It is impossible to evaluate each person on the planet thoroughly but they do exist. I see them all around me daily and speak to them often.Zzyzx wrote:.
Over two thousand different "gods" have been proposed, worshiped, feared, venerated or invented by humans. Have you evaluated each one thoroughly?
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Post #7Skyangel wrote:The God that is most likely to exist is the God described in the bible.
Because the bible describes people as gods and people are real and exist.Zzyzx wrote:.
WHY?
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I understand that you would duck the question and talk about something else -- and trust that readers make similar observation.
Did you deliberately "overlook" my question regarding how it could be concluded that the biblical "god" was "most likely to exist". I challenge you to support that statement.Skyangel wrote:It is impossible to evaluate each person on the planet thoroughly but they do exist. I see them all around me daily and speak to them often.Zzyzx wrote:Over two thousand different "gods" have been proposed, worshiped, feared, venerated or invented by humans. Have you evaluated each one thoroughly?
I understand that you would duck the question and talk about something else -- and trust that readers make similar observation.
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
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Post #9I did answer your question. I am sure any readers who read all the posts can see that.Zzyzx wrote:.Did you deliberately "overlook" my question regarding how it could be concluded that the biblical "god" was "most likely to exist". I challenge you to support that statement.Skyangel wrote:It is impossible to evaluate each person on the planet thoroughly but they do exist. I see them all around me daily and speak to them often.Zzyzx wrote:Over two thousand different "gods" have been proposed, worshiped, feared, venerated or invented by humans. Have you evaluated each one thoroughly?
I understand that you would duck the question and talk about something else -- and trust that readers make similar observation.
I said we can conclude the god that is most likely to exist is the god which is described in the bible as being you. The bible describes people as gods . Since people are real and they exist, we can conclude that people are the gods which most likely exist. Seems logical enough to me. Do you need further explanation of that logic?
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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Post #10What!?Skyangel wrote:Because the bible describes people as gods and people are real and exist.

