Does Gay Marriage threaten traditional Family Values?

[McCulloch]

I don't think gay marriage is immoral by any means, I just oppose it because I support traditional family values.

But gay marriage does not harm nor does it challenge traditional family values. I don't want to close down the Indian restaurant up the road because I like Italian food.

It challenges the future of the nuclear family, which is generally one mother and one father and a # of children. Anything that does not include these factors (such as single motherhood, foster homes, divorces, and gay marriage) should be avoided in order to preserve traditional family values.

Does Gay Marriage threaten traditional Family Values?
Are Traditional Family Values in any danger of not being preserved?

[nygreenguy]

actually, you aren't the one who claimed that 'the government has always upheld..." that was indeed someone else. However, believing it to be unlikely, in the face of, for instance, the FLDS compound assininity, is somewhat naive.

Except for the raid was beased upon reports of abuse on women and children.

I can show you examples of both of those. In fact, I've already given one, with Reed Smoot.

Your examples are literally one hundred years old. The governement has (thankfully) become much more liberal on this issue and for the past 50 years or so upheld a private organizations right to discriminate

[Kuan]

I can show you examples of both of those. In fact, I've already given one, with Reed Smoot.

Your examples are literally one hundred years old. The governement has (thankfully) become much more liberal on this issue and for the past 50 years or so upheld a private organizations right to discriminate

100 years really isnt that long.

[LiamOS]

Politically and socially, 100 years is a very long time.
70 years ago the area I come from spoke only Irish and didn't have a radio.

[Kuan]

Politically and socially, 100 years is a very long time.
70 years ago the area I come from spoke only Irish and didn't have a radio.

Womens suffrage took 100 years.

[micatala]

Politically and socially, 100 years is a very long time.
70 years ago the area I come from spoke only Irish and didn't have a radio.

Womens suffrage took 100 years.

If you are willing to say that there is some basis that your fears will come to pass in 100 years, then I would at least say that the uncertainties in predicting the future make your fears somewhat less baseless.

As far as within, say, the next 25 years, I think the fears can still be labeled as baseless.

I would also say long term trends have been towards more tolerance of a greater diversity of viewpoints. That long term trend would have to reverse itself, or there would have to be a complete degeneration of the reputation of religion in general for what you are fearing to become more likely than, say, a constitutional amendment outlawing non-Christian religions.

[Kuan]

Politically and socially, 100 years is a very long time.
70 years ago the area I come from spoke only Irish and didn't have a radio.

Womens suffrage took 100 years.

If you are willing to say that there is some basis that your fears will come to pass in 100 years, then I would at least say that the uncertainties in predicting the future make your fears somewhat less baseless.

As far as within, say, the next 25 years, I think the fears can still be labeled as baseless.

I would also say long term trends have been towards more tolerance of a greater diversity of viewpoints. That long term trend would have to reverse itself, or there would have to be a complete degeneration of the reputation of religion in general for what you are fearing to become more likely than, say, a constitutional amendment outlawing non-Christian religions.

Is it really all that baseless to worry that your gonna be sued cause you wont marry a gay couple? McDonalds got sued cause they didnt tell the lady that her coffee was hot. Homosexuals have a more solid case than any of the frivolous lawsuits you will see.

[dianaiad]

actually, you aren't the one who claimed that 'the government has always upheld..." that was indeed someone else. However, believing it to be unlikely, in the face of, for instance, the FLDS compound assininity, is somewhat naive.

Except for the raid was beased upon reports of abuse on women and children.

Actually, it was based upon ONE report that was not only later proven fraudulent, it was known to be fraudulent at the time of the raid. It was an excuse, not the reason.

I can show you examples of both of those. In fact, I've already given one, with Reed Smoot.

Your examples are literally one hundred years old. The governement has (thankfully) become much more liberal on this issue and for the past 50 years or so upheld a private organizations right to discriminate

My friend, I am simply not as trusting as you are....and, as I have also shown, with pretty good reason.

[JoeyKnothead]

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My friend, I am simply not as trusting as you are....and, as I have also shown, with pretty good reason.

I find this rather ironic, given so much of religious belief is based on faith - including a belief, on faith, that a god prefers we discriminate against others.

[nygreenguy]

Is it really all that baseless to worry that your gonna be sued cause you wont marry a gay couple? McDonalds got sued cause they didnt tell the lady that her coffee was hot. Homosexuals have a more solid case than any of the frivolous lawsuits you will see.

Actually, in another thread with YOU (or perhaps WP) I showed how this lawsuit was NOT frivolous and how it went WAY beyond "hot coffee". If coffee melted your flesh down to muscle tissue, how is that frivolous?

[Kuan]

Is it really all that baseless to worry that your gonna be sued cause you wont marry a gay couple? McDonalds got sued cause they didnt tell the lady that her coffee was hot. Homosexuals have a more solid case than any of the frivolous lawsuits you will see.

Actually, in another thread with YOU (or perhaps WP) I showed how this lawsuit was NOT frivolous and how it went WAY beyond "hot coffee". If coffee melted your flesh down to muscle tissue, how is that frivolous?

It was me, It isnt frivolous. But it is well...stupid. Yeah it is a major deal that the coffee burned her that bad, but its common sense. If you buy coffee, its going to be hot.