Theists, how do you feel about relevant subjectivity?

[JayDeist]

Do you feel your religious stance is subjective or objective?

Also, if your stance is subjective, do you believe that an atheist point of view is as subjective as your own?

[JayDeist]

I believe the lack of any posts answers it's own question. And I have to say that I have proved my point to Dianaiad. Atheists have posted on their post and showed their subjectivity. Theists however, cannot do that, because they are so set in their mind about what they were "taught" to believe. What they were indoctrinated to believe was right. They cannot claim subjectivity to anything because it would go against their "tradition", and what they were told not to do. Even when they know that their opinion on the matter, from a book thousands of years old, that nobody even knows who wrote it, cannot be shown to be true, credible, or even relevant by today's standards. For all that you Theists claim to know, you sure do bail when it comes to holding your beliefs to the fire. Talk about being hypocritical. That is the crux of it, right here.

[1213]

Do you feel your religious stance is subjective or objective?

Also, if your stance is subjective, do you believe that an atheist point of view is as subjective as your own?

I feel that I am as objective as human can be

But if I feel that I am objective, what does it matter? You don't believe it, I doubt no one else believes it and in the end it doesn't matter. How could it be proved?

I don't really have any reason to prove that I am objective, because I am not trying to speak for myself here.

I think it would be better to focus on these religious matters and not try to prove is someone subjective. In my opinion, far more important question is, what Jesus says, what Bible says and what truth is.

[McCulloch]

I feel that I am as objective as human can be

Let's assume that the irony in this statement is intentional.

I don't really have any reason to prove that I am objective, because I am not trying to speak for myself here.

Fair enough. Can you objectively show that the ideas and assertions you present are true?

In my opinion, far more important question is, what Jesus says, what Bible says and what truth is.

I agree with you on the last point. Truth is important. However, I have not been shown why what Jesus said or what the writers of the Bible said has any relevance in determining the truth of anything.

[JayDeist]

Do you feel your religious stance is subjective or objective?

Also, if your stance is subjective, do you believe that an atheist point of view is as subjective as your own?

I feel that I am as objective as human can be

But if I feel that I am objective, what does it matter? You don't believe it, I doubt no one else believes it and in the end it doesn't matter. How could it be proved?

I don't really have any reason to prove that I am objective, because I am not trying to speak for myself here.

I think it would be better to focus on these religious matters and not try to prove is someone subjective. In my opinion, far more important question is, what Jesus says, what Bible says and what truth is.

No, that is not the most important question. The most important question is how can we all get along and make this world a better place? Christianity seems to draw people apart, not together, so it is not the answer. You're objective assumptions won't be proven because they are assumptions. That's why theists don't want to post here. They don't want their naive, "with blinders on" perspective called out. It's best to focus on ALL religious matters, and to assume that no one is more right than the other. As I have shown, Dianiaiad's assumption is observedly backwards.

[JayDeist]

I do have to say, from everything I've heard and read, that I have to commend this website. They have shown no partiality to any belief system, or to any person. This website has been the most neutrally ran forum I have been to. So Kudo's to debatingchristianity.com, ya'll do a great job.

[Zzyzx]

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I do have to say, from everything I've heard and read, that I have to commend this website. They have shown no partiality to any belief system, or to any person. This website has been the most neutrally ran forum I have been to. So Kudo's to debatingchristianity.com, ya'll do a great job.

I agree 100% -- and add that those who complain of "unfairness" (or whatever) are simply acknowledging that they expect special treatment for their viewpoint.

[Question Everything]

How can you say

I feel that I am as objective as human can be

and then turn around 180 degrees and say

In my opinion, far more important question is, what Jesus says, what Bible says and what truth is.

?

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

[1213]

Fair enough. Can you objectively show that the ideas and assertions you present are true?

I think you can see yourself, are my quotes from Bible truthfully taken. In my opinion they are. And is it true what I claim with those quotations that I have taken? I think yes, but I understand it may be subjective and therefore you should yourself think is it true and correct. I think I can't prove my objectiveness and truthfulness, because you decide it anyway, no matter what I say.

My intention here is mainly to try only to bring out truthfully what Bible says on certain things. If I say something that you think is not correct or truthfully, I hope you point out it.

[1213]

How can you say

I feel that I am as objective as human can be

It is quite easy to me

and then turn around 180 degrees and say

In my opinion, far more important question is, what Jesus says, what Bible says and what truth is.

?

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

I think I'm not contradicting myself here.