Jesus is Alive

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 56, here:

Jesus is alive...

For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the statement is true and factual.

[EduChris]

...Jesus is alive...Please offer some means to confirm the statement is true and factual.

There is very little that anyone can do to confirm much of anything as "true and factual," other than the simple fact that "thoughts are occurring."

Given that, what we usually try to do is demonstrate this or that belief to be epistemically justified (or not).

The claim that "Jesus was raised from the dead" can indeed be epistemically justifed, though the detailed arguments involved will necessarily lie beyond the reach of folks who believe that naive empiricism is the only path to "knowledge."

For most folks who don't do a lot of philosophizing and who aren't taking the empiricist's route of "I can ignore it if you can't prove it," the reality of the "living" Jesus will come to them as a consequence of relationships with others who share with them the reality of Jesus by their words and deeds.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 2:

There is very little that anyone can do to confirm much of anything as "true and factual," other than the simple fact that "thoughts are occurring."

Given that, what we usually try to do is demonstrate this or that belief to be epistemically justified (or not).

The claim that "Jesus was raised from the dead" can indeed be epistemically justifed, though the detailed arguments involved will necessarily lie beyond the reach of folks who believe that naive empiricism is the only path to "knowledge."

For most folks who don't do a lot of philosophizing and who aren't taking the empiricist's route of "I can ignore it if you can't prove it," the reality of the "living" Jesus will come to them as a consequence of relationships with others who share with them the reality of Jesus by their words and deeds.

That's the most convoluted way I've ever seen anyone say, "Nope, sure can't".

It never fails to amuse me when Christians use "naive" in reference to others.

...the reality of the "living" Jesus will come to them as a consequence of relationships with others who share with them the reality of Jesus by their words and deeds.

That'n seems worthy of it's own OP.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

The claim that "Jesus was raised from the dead" can indeed be epistemically justifed, though the detailed arguments involved will necessarily lie beyond the reach of folks who believe that naive empiricism is the only path to "knowledge."

Flying reindeer can be "epistemically justifed" by simply declaring that Santa has magic. And yet when we, in our pursuit of "naive empiricism" examine the question of flying reindeer, we find none capable of controlled flight and in fact everything we have learned about the process of controlled flight suggests to us in the most convincing terms that reindeer do not possess the capacity for it. Believing that there is some means by which reindeer can achieve controlled flight can only be "epistemically justifed" through a process known as "MAKE BELIEVE." EXACTLY the same may be said to be true for the story of the flying reanimated corpse of Jesus.

And if the missing corpse of Jesus can be explained through actions taken by "living HUMAN agents," then the conclusion that the corpse of Jesus became reanimated, BY WHATEVER MEANS, is effectively reduced essentially to zero. Wouldn't you agree? Or would you prefer to continue to profess your Christian faith by refusing to answer this question