Does God send babies to hell?

[Waiting4evidence]

For the purpose of this argument I will assume the following to be true:

1) God exists
2) Heaven and hell exist
3) Heaven is a desirable, pleasant place, hell is an undesirable, unpleasant place
4) Some people go to heaven when they die, others go to hell

Here is my question:
Does God send babies to hell?

If 3 hours after being born, a baby dies, what happens to his soul? Does it go back to heaven to be with his creator in eternal bliss, or does it get sent to hell to be in eternal anguish?

Or does it go to limbo or purgatory, or does it get annihilated/aborted?

In other words, I'm asking for a yes or no answer to this question:

Do babies who die in the first few hours after they are born go to heaven, yes or no?


If the answer is no, then please refer to my other posts about God being the most evil entity imaginable.

If the answer is yes, then I will now argue that for a woman to have an abortion is the single most moral thing anybody could ever do.

If you get pregnant and don't have an abortion, then the baby may grow up, and there is a chance that he will end up believing the wrong thing, or doing the wrong thing, and end up for eternity in the flames of hell.

To the contrary, if you kill your baby the instant it is born, it is GUARANTEED to go to heaven.

If you love your baby, why would you risk him ending up in hell, when you have a foolproof method to guarantee he will spend eternity in the bliss of God's presence?

If you love your baby, and if you believe that all babies end up in heaven, what possible justification could you have for not killing your baby as soon as possible?

[Divine Insight]

If you love your baby, why would you risk him ending up in hell, when you have a foolproof method to guarantee he will spend eternity in the bliss of God's presence?

I would take that as step further and ask:

"If you believe that any human can potentially end up in hell why would you even participate in the creation of a new human?"

According to Christianity Jesus taught:

Matt.7:13-14

[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

If the words of Jesus are TRUE then only FEW humans will actually make it into heaven. And the vast majority are bound for "destruction" which in this religion equates to eternal damnation.

Therefore when you bring a child into this world there is a higher probability that they will end up in hell than in heaven.

So why would you even to participate in the creation of a new soul?

Our ancestors would have done us all a favor if they had simply quit reproducing and died off.

Now billions upon billions of people are doomed to eternal suffering!

Supposedly all "non-Christians" for sure.

And even the vast bulk of the people who believe that they are "Christians"

Only FEW will make it into the kingdom of God.

Luke 13

[22] And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
[23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
[24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[27] But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
[28] There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Evidently even many people who think they have been "saved" are going to be in for a rude rejection by "The Christ".

If you love your baby, and if you believe that all babies end up in heaven, what possible justification could you have for not killing your baby as soon as possible?

If it's true that babies make it to heaven, then having babies just to kill them and send them off to heaven would be the greatest joke played on the Christian God.

Suddenly all these human babies would be showing up in heaven and God would have gotten gypped out of a chance to condemn them as they grew up.

Humans would have finally out-smarted their tyrant creator.

[ttruscott]

More than 1 parent believing in the useless doctrine that babies go to heaven if killed has become a murderer of their own children.

People go where they are supposed to go as set by their own true free will choice before they are born...it is who you have chosen to be and what relationship you have chosen with GOD that decides, NOT your age.

Peace, Ted

[JohnPaul]

More than 1 parent believing in the useless doctrine that babies go to heaven if killed has become a murderer of their own children.

People go where they are supposed to go as set by their own true free will choice before they are born...it is who you have chosen to be and what relationship you have chosen with GOD that decides, NOT your age.

Peace, Ted

What??? Free will???

And since God is omniscient and all-knowing, he knows even before he creates a human soul if the human is destined for hell, and deliberately creates it that way anyway. God's knowledge is perfect and cannot be wrong, so don't make some futile argument to deny this.

[Waiting4evidence]

More than 1 parent believing in the useless doctrine that babies go to heaven if killed has become a murderer of their own children.

People go where they are supposed to go as set by their own true free will choice before they are born...it is who you have chosen to be and what relationship you have chosen with GOD that decides, NOT your age.

Peace, Ted

Ok, it's official. God tortures innocent babies for eternity in a lake of fire.

At least we know for sure now. God is a monster.

Thank you for clearing that up for us.

[Mithrae]

People go where they are supposed to go as set by their own true free will choice before they are born...it is who you have chosen to be and what relationship you have chosen with GOD that decides, NOT your age.

Ok, it's official. God tortures innocent babies for eternity in a lake of fire.

At least we know for sure now. God is a monster.

Thank you for clearing that up for us.

Insulting another person's views without reading them is neither civil nor intelligent, regardless of how much you might disagree with them. Truscott clearly stated (here as on many other occasions) his belief that souls make their choice before birth, genuinely free from the influences of societies, ignorance and organic bodies.

You embarass only yourself by setting up the above strawman for your celebratory bonfire and victory dance Prejudice and shoddy reasoning are not restricted to religious fundamentalists.

[Tex]

For the purpose of this argument I will assume the following to be true:

1) God exists
2) Heaven and hell exist
3) Heaven is a desirable, pleasant place, hell is an undesirable, unpleasant place
4) Some people go to heaven when they die, others go to hell

Here is my question:
Does God send babies to hell?

If 3 hours after being born, a baby dies, what happens to his soul? Does it go back to heaven to be with his creator in eternal bliss, or does it get sent to hell to be in eternal anguish?

Or does it go to limbo or purgatory, or does it get annihilated/aborted?

In other words, I'm asking for a yes or no answer to this question:

Do babies who die in the first few hours after they are born go to heaven, yes or no?


If the answer is no, then please refer to my other posts about God being the most evil entity imaginable.

If the answer is yes, then I will now argue that for a woman to have an abortion is the single most moral thing anybody could ever do.

If you get pregnant and don't have an abortion, then the baby may grow up, and there is a chance that he will end up believing the wrong thing, or doing the wrong thing, and end up for eternity in the flames of hell.

To the contrary, if you kill your baby the instant it is born, it is GUARANTEED to go to heaven.

If you love your baby, why would you risk him ending up in hell, when you have a foolproof method to guarantee he will spend eternity in the bliss of God's presence?

If you love your baby, and if you believe that all babies end up in heaven, what possible justification could you have for not killing your baby as soon as possible?

Wow.....You figure it out. Why are you telling it to us, don't you know how stupid Christians are? Now if I have a baby, I will have to kill it. No, I will go get my tubes snipped, like that I don't have to commit MURDER!!!!
These atheist are amazing, I don't know how the world has functioned before you guys came along.

[Morphine]

More than 1 parent believing in the useless doctrine that babies go to heaven if killed has become a murderer of their own children.

People go where they are supposed to go as set by their own true free will choice before they are born...it is who you have chosen to be and what relationship you have chosen with GOD that decides, NOT your age.

Peace, Ted

How can a person have free will before they are born? Your brain is a blank slate when youre first born. How can you reason that a persons soul can be evil if it doesn't even think? In order to truly be evil, you would have to knowingly do something wrong. Or at least have a strong desire to. But you can't do any of that without some form of reasoning. And you can't reason without any knowledge of the world. It's well known that life experiences determine who you are. Without living, how can you be evil or good. You're neutral. You can't choose to be a Christian or Muslim or any of that if you even know anything about them or any of their beliefs. at a few hours or days old, people aren't even able to understand that 5 + 6 = 11. The mind is far to young to comprehend the concept of religions and gods and how they should live.

Even if what you're saying is true, why would a loving and merciful god even allow a person to come into existence, knowing they will suffer an eternity in hell? Living a 100 years of joy isnt even a speck of dust when compared to having to serve billions upon billions of years in a eternal torture pit. It would be merciful to void that soul's existence altogether.

[Morphine]

For the purpose of this argument I will assume the following to be true:

1) God exists
2) Heaven and hell exist
3) Heaven is a desirable, pleasant place, hell is an undesirable, unpleasant place
4) Some people go to heaven when they die, others go to hell

Here is my question:
Does God send babies to hell?

If 3 hours after being born, a baby dies, what happens to his soul? Does it go back to heaven to be with his creator in eternal bliss, or does it get sent to hell to be in eternal anguish?

Or does it go to limbo or purgatory, or does it get annihilated/aborted?

In other words, I'm asking for a yes or no answer to this question:

Do babies who die in the first few hours after they are born go to heaven, yes or no?


If the answer is no, then please refer to my other posts about God being the most evil entity imaginable.

If the answer is yes, then I will now argue that for a woman to have an abortion is the single most moral thing anybody could ever do.

If you get pregnant and don't have an abortion, then the baby may grow up, and there is a chance that he will end up believing the wrong thing, or doing the wrong thing, and end up for eternity in the flames of hell.

To the contrary, if you kill your baby the instant it is born, it is GUARANTEED to go to heaven.

If you love your baby, why would you risk him ending up in hell, when you have a foolproof method to guarantee he will spend eternity in the bliss of God's presence?

If you love your baby, and if you believe that all babies end up in heaven, what possible justification could you have for not killing your baby as soon as possible?

Wow.....You figure it out. Why are you telling it to us, don't you know how stupid Christians are? Now if I have a baby, I will have to kill it. No, I will go get my tubes snipped, like that I don't have to commit MURDER!!!!
These atheist are amazing, I don't know how the world has functioned before you guys came along.

It's still a pretty good question. If you think killing your child would spare him a billion plus years of torture, are or would you be willing to do it? Why or why not? You may think its a foolish question, but you could at least humor him.

An example would be like some killing themselves because they are afraid of being captured alive by the enemy and tortured for days. Imagine a zombie movie where someone kills themselves or begs to be shot so he wouldn't have to suffer the agony of being eaten alive. Thats only a few minutes of pain that he is afraid of. Just imagine billions or even trillions of years. Keep in mind, hell is eternal. So after a trillion years pass, you still have more torture to deal with. You wouldn't want to spare your child that experience?

[Waiting4evidence]

People go where they are supposed to go as set by their own true free will choice before they are born...it is who you have chosen to be and what relationship you have chosen with GOD that decides, NOT your age.

Ok, it's official. God tortures innocent babies for eternity in a lake of fire.

At least we know for sure now. God is a monster.

Thank you for clearing that up for us.

Insulting another person's views without reading them is neither civil nor intelligent, regardless of how much you might disagree with them. Truscott clearly stated (here as on many other occasions) his belief that souls make their choice before birth, genuinely free from the influences of societies, ignorance and organic bodies.

You embarass only yourself by setting up the above strawman for your celebratory bonfire and victory dance Prejudice and shoddy reasoning are not restricted to religious fundamentalists.

How am I insulting his beliefs? He said that God sends babies to hell, and I said "Ok, God sends babies to hell". How is it an insult to acknowledge somebody's beliefs?

I agree that his beliefs are insulting to any sane person, so maybe you are insulted by me simply verbalizing them, I dunno.

But whatever way you slice it, it is correct to say that according to Truscott, some babies die in the first few hours of their life, and end up tortured for eternity in a lake of fire.

I believe that he believes that. How is that insulting?