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As morbid as the title may be, there is something about this that has always confused me in the Christian dogma and that is the fate of dead babies.

Do dead babies go to heaven?

If your answer is no then God is sick and evil for sending innocent babies to hell for absolutely no fault of their own. Sadly enough, Mark 16:16 suggests this and makes no exception for babies.

If your answer is yes then there are several problems with that aswell:
1. It isn't supported by the Bible so this is but wishful thinking
2. Where is the fairness in it? A baby is born and dies and goes straight to heaven while the rest of us have a good chance of ending up in hell. Isn't it unfair for babies to get a sure thing by going straight to heaven? With this in mind, it would be even altruistic to kill a baby since you are saving them from potential hell?

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Justin108 wrote: As morbid as the title may be, there is something about this that has always confused me in the Christian dogma and that is the fate of dead babies.

Do dead babies go to heaven?

If your answer is no then God is sick and evil for sending innocent babies to hell for absolutely no fault of their own. Sadly enough, Mark 16:16 suggests this and makes no exception for babies.

If your answer is yes then there are several problems with that aswell:
1. It isn't supported by the Bible so this is but wishful thinking
2. Where is the fairness in it? A baby is born and dies and goes straight to heaven while the rest of us have a good chance of ending up in hell. Isn't it unfair for babies to get a sure thing by going straight to heaven? With this in mind, it would be even altruistic to kill a baby since you are saving them from potential hell?
Your assertion GOD is sick and evil rests upon your theory babies are innocent... a strawman at best because a majority of Christians do not believe them to be innocent.

So, instead of disparaging Christianity or GOD for this doctrine, a focus based upon a little research on those who actually believe it would frame the topic in a more realistic manner...

As well, proof babies are innocent and don't just look innocent is necessary before an answer is necessary, I do believe.

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PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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ttruscott wrote:
Justin108 wrote: As morbid as the title may be, there is something about this that has always confused me in the Christian dogma and that is the fate of dead babies.

Do dead babies go to heaven?

If your answer is no then God is sick and evil for sending innocent babies to hell for absolutely no fault of their own. Sadly enough, Mark 16:16 suggests this and makes no exception for babies.

If your answer is yes then there are several problems with that aswell:
1. It isn't supported by the Bible so this is but wishful thinking
2. Where is the fairness in it? A baby is born and dies and goes straight to heaven while the rest of us have a good chance of ending up in hell. Isn't it unfair for babies to get a sure thing by going straight to heaven? With this in mind, it would be even altruistic to kill a baby since you are saving them from potential hell?
Your assertion GOD is sick and evil rests upon your theory babies are innocent... a strawman at best because a majority of Christians do not believe them to be innocent.

So, instead of disparaging Christianity or GOD for this doctrine, a focus based upon a little research on those who actually believe it would frame the topic in a more realistic manner...

As well, proof babies are innocent and don't just look innocent is necessary before an answer is necessary, I do believe.

Peace, Ted
Wow.

Ok here's a scenario: a baby is born prematurely and is very sickly. He lives for 3 days before he dies. In those three days of doing nothing but clinging on to dear life, what wrong did that baby do to be considered less than innocent?

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ttruscott wrote:
Justin108 wrote: As morbid as the title may be, there is something about this that has always confused me in the Christian dogma and that is the fate of dead babies.

Do dead babies go to heaven?

If your answer is no then God is sick and evil for sending innocent babies to hell for absolutely no fault of their own. Sadly enough, Mark 16:16 suggests this and makes no exception for babies.

If your answer is yes then there are several problems with that aswell:
1. It isn't supported by the Bible so this is but wishful thinking
2. Where is the fairness in it? A baby is born and dies and goes straight to heaven while the rest of us have a good chance of ending up in hell. Isn't it unfair for babies to get a sure thing by going straight to heaven? With this in mind, it would be even altruistic to kill a baby since you are saving them from potential hell?
Your assertion GOD is sick and evil rests upon your theory babies are innocent... a strawman at best because a majority of Christians do not believe them to be innocent.

So, instead of disparaging Christianity or GOD for this doctrine, a focus based upon a little research on those who actually believe it would frame the topic in a more realistic manner...

As well, proof babies are innocent and don't just look innocent is necessary before an answer is necessary, I do believe.

Peace, Ted
I am not able to comprehend what a new born baby may be guilty of. Please help me.

If this ties in to some pre birth philosophy, you can just say so. I'm not really interested in hearing more about those un-evidenced justification.
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Clownboat wrote:
ttruscott wrote:
Justin108 wrote: As morbid as the title may be, there is something about this that has always confused me in the Christian dogma and that is the fate of dead babies.

Do dead babies go to heaven?

If your answer is no then God is sick and evil for sending innocent babies to hell for absolutely no fault of their own. Sadly enough, Mark 16:16 suggests this and makes no exception for babies.

If your answer is yes then there are several problems with that aswell:
1. It isn't supported by the Bible so this is but wishful thinking
2. Where is the fairness in it? A baby is born and dies and goes straight to heaven while the rest of us have a good chance of ending up in hell. Isn't it unfair for babies to get a sure thing by going straight to heaven? With this in mind, it would be even altruistic to kill a baby since you are saving them from potential hell?
Your assertion GOD is sick and evil rests upon your theory babies are innocent... a strawman at best because a majority of Christians do not believe them to be innocent.

So, instead of disparaging Christianity or GOD for this doctrine, a focus based upon a little research on those who actually believe it would frame the topic in a more realistic manner...

As well, proof babies are innocent and don't just look innocent is necessary before an answer is necessary, I do believe.

Peace, Ted
I am not able to comprehend what a new born baby may be guilty of. Please help me.

If this ties in to some pre birth philosophy, you can just say so. I'm not really interested in hearing more about those un-evidenced justification.
Wait this is the pre-existence guy? I keep forgetting which nutcase is which.

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I HOPE he's arguing about original sin...

At least that position is somewhat intelligible...

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Justin108 wrote: As morbid as the title may be, there is something about this that has always confused me in the Christian dogma and that is the fate of dead babies.

Do dead babies go to heaven?

If your answer is no then God is sick and evil for sending innocent babies to hell for absolutely no fault of their own. Sadly enough, Mark 16:16 suggests this and makes no exception for babies.

If your answer is yes then there are several problems with that aswell:
1. It isn't supported by the Bible so this is but wishful thinking
2. Where is the fairness in it? A baby is born and dies and goes straight to heaven while the rest of us have a good chance of ending up in hell. Isn't it unfair for babies to get a sure thing by going straight to heaven? With this in mind, it would be even altruistic to kill a baby since you are saving them from potential hell?
The real answer is "we don't know". The Bible doesn't say.

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Justin108 wrote:Wait this is the pre-existence guy? I keep forgetting which nutcase is which.
Yes, he is the pre-existence guy, you have to admit, his theory handles your dilemma very well.

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Rkrause wrote:
Justin108 wrote: As morbid as the title may be, there is something about this that has always confused me in the Christian dogma and that is the fate of dead babies.

Do dead babies go to heaven?

If your answer is no then God is sick and evil for sending innocent babies to hell for absolutely no fault of their own. Sadly enough, Mark 16:16 suggests this and makes no exception for babies.

If your answer is yes then there are several problems with that aswell:
1. It isn't supported by the Bible so this is but wishful thinking
2. Where is the fairness in it? A baby is born and dies and goes straight to heaven while the rest of us have a good chance of ending up in hell. Isn't it unfair for babies to get a sure thing by going straight to heaven? With this in mind, it would be even altruistic to kill a baby since you are saving them from potential hell?
The real answer is "we don't know". The Bible doesn't say.
Then I suppose we must go with what the Bible DOES say which is unbelievers will be damned (Mark 16:16). Going by what the Bible does say, one would have to conclude that babies go to hell so I guess God is sick and evil.

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Justin108 wrote: Do dead babies go to heaven?
Bible tells that righteous have eternal life. So if baby is righteous, he goes to eternal life.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

Are babies righteous? Maybe some, I don’t know. But I believe that God knows and judges righteously.

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