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The evidence of Concioussness existing without a brain

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The debtate took place as to a human mind holding a conciousness seperate from the brain. Because this would eventually mean, our conciousness derives from within just as much as the Brain. And ultimately, this would meet the prophecy of the Bible stating "Your body is your temple" and also, of the "Holy Spirit.
And conclusively, this would mean all logic of Atheists would go out the door, simply because they belive no brain means no conciousness, therefore no eternity.

This link was brought on by an opposition as to the debate. (little did they know, it actually helped support my position).
http://io9.com/5862418/10-bodily-functi ... fter-death


Now, the truth. Copy and pasted, please read on.

This is an article explaining what happens to the human body after death in scientific terms. As in, digestion and etc.

The point of the post is of the mind. I did relate the physical act of body as a premesis for the individuality of the mind between the brain and the body. However, this does not explain the situation of a mind being available within the body on its own merit. This rather addresses again, the scientific notions as to what happens physically within a body after it is left braindead.

The reason of this thread was to bring about the idea that body and the head can survive on its own without one supporting another. And infact that has been proved under your given evidence, however, the more important issues here are, the splitting of the mind existing under its own merit.

Wiith this said, i have given you a link of the wiki stating such happening, and this can bring about another question of the mind.

Can the body able to functio and be concious without the brain.

And this question also have been answered through the wiki link I have posted, the answer simply is what it is.

The adrnaline consists of fight and flight response, it is the core of the structure of how adrenaline comes about, and because of it, figght and flight response is related heavily with emotion resulting to fear.

If an emotion is brought about, fear in this case, also calls for euphoria or joy. If a human body can think on its own merit without the given brain, the logic of physics can infact be dismissed here.

As noted by your source, the cells of the body are infact working under its own conditions, and that would ultimately call for structured behavior on its own.

Without the cells of our body which make up for our body, including the thoughts of our brain and such, it is also recognized and should be noted here that cells OF THE BODY is under conciousness as well.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/awnew.htm
What neuroscience has established is that each brain cell functions as a separate receiving unit. There are a variety of routes for passing information from cell to cell, including direct channels between cell interiors in some cases

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.


Then with this in mind, we would need to rely ion if cells can live without a body, and the answer is ofcourse yes. This would mean conciousness outside our body. As in, beggining of eternity.

For the ignorant Atheists, here is the deal under raw terms. Cells within our body with our given conciousness expands infinitely (A flu is an example), so if a single a single cell remembers all patterns of life (thus every cell has a DNA) then its established here under "sicentific notions" that there is infact eternity.

Everything stated here can be explained scientifically under the teachings of Buddah so far. (mid level)

Christs teachings of eternity is par above buddahs and will be explained later.


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Hi The Truth 101: Having observed your extensive contribution to this website over time I feel that the idea of a consciousness without a brain might indeed be a real everyday phenomena. Peace!

On a serious note: Would you consider a 'tree' as being a consciousness without a brain. I would. What do you think?

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assisigirl wrote: Would you consider a 'tree' as being a consciousness without a brain. I would. What do you think?
Trees clearly have no brain. However, can you provide any evidence or reasonable argument that trees have consciousness?
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assisigirl wrote: Hi The Truth 101: Having observed your extensive contribution to this website over time I feel that the idea of a consciousness without a brain might indeed be a real everyday phenomena. Peace!

On a serious note: Would you consider a 'tree' as being a consciousness without a brain. I would. What do you think?


This dosent mean a human cell gets mixed with a plantation. Simply because the human cells and the patterns of the DNA that involves a single human cell has its own sturctured patterns to migle and recompose within.

Though I thought I will never say this to another member of this forum, but I am forced to say this to you Assisgirl, please do some scientific research before posting. Its only relevent because I am explaining eternity to these Atheists so they can be aware who they will "serve" in eternity.
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Hi Mc Culloch,

You enquire:Trees clearly have no brain. However, can you provide any evidence or reasonable argument that trees have consciousness?

assisigirl: I have had this discussion many times.

Look at it like this:

A tree exists within its environment and responds to same in a very sophisticated way. The willow in my garden has decided independantly from other willows that it is not best placed to produce catkins just yet. The weather has been terrible. If I cut my tree it will weep and heal its injury.My tree shows awareness of itself and its location by growing and responding, in an idiosyncratic way, to other trees and obstacles within its existence. It looses its leaves to avoid winter winds while shaping itself to brace against same. Do you consider this consciousness. I do, many disagree. They see consciousness as confined to humans, others confine it to animals, I confine it to life. Some people that I greatly respect confine it to the cosmos. A large component of consciousness is an outward influence on surroundings in an attempt to achieve an objective. Many people see consciousness as a sponge that soaks inwardly. Is consciousness mental or is it mentally physical as The Truth 101 alludes to. Lots of questions. Show me where your goalposts are and I will kick the ball. The Truth 101 has something about him, I do not know what it is. Now he thinks I'm ill-informed. OOps!
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assisigirl wrote: Hi Mc Culloch,

You enquire:Trees clearly have no brain. However, can you provide any evidence or reasonable argument that trees have consciousness?

assisigirl: I have had this discussion many times.

Look at it like this:

A tree exists within its environment and responds to same in a very sophisticated way. The willow in my garden has decided independantly from other willows that it is not best placed to produce catkins just yet. The weather has been terrible. If I cut my tree it will weep and heal its injury. It looses its leaves to avoid winter winds while shaping itself to brace against same. Do you consider this consciousness. I do, many disagree. They see consciousness as confined to humans, others confine it to animals, I confine it to life. Some people that I greatly respect confine it to the cosmos. A large component of consciousness is an outward influence on surroundings in an attempt to achieve an objective. Many people see consciousness as a sponge that soaks inwardly. Is consciousness mental or is it mentally physical as The Truth 101 alludes to. Lots of questions. Show me where your goalposts are and I will kick the ball. The Truth 101 has something about him, I do not know what it is. Now he thinks I'm ill-informed. OOps!

Misunderstood, I apologize.

Anyway, the concept of conciousness can only be established when a given cell has the DNA code to undestand emotions, as in pain or pleasure. The cells that are associated with planatations do not carry enough sophistications as to the given cell to recognize patterns of emotions. Therfore, even though the tree may be understood as a source of food, equalling to creating "cells" that humans intake, it gets wasted and dumped on a daily basis. We call it wasted cells, or Atheists.

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Lol why can't we just use the word soul to animate your ideas, its like a billion times shorter than consciousness... its like what you wanted to talk about anyways, and consciousness is also hard to spell (im bad at spelling)

Anyways, you didn't define what the state of being conscious is so I'm not sure that cells are conscious. I define conscious to be both aware of your surroundings and aware of yourself, and alive to be able to be aware and able to affect your surroundings.

So I think if you want to use evidence to prove the consciousness that you seem to claim is the downfall of all atheists your best bet is to use all those out-of-body near death experiences of people who almost died and then didn't, and when they recovered from their accident or whatever claimed their experience, which cannot be backed with any evidence, and only do the number of people who have experienced this kind of event give credibility to these claims.

Unfortunately for you, I do not think even the existence of an out of body experience, even if confirmed with the person having heard or seen things that he could not have seen or heard while being "brain-dead", is proof that consciousness exists.

It just might mean the human body has a more decentralized nervous system than we originally thought.

If you really wanna confirm the human soul you gotta bring some souls back from the land of the dead...
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Re: The evidence of Concioussness existing without a brain

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TheTruth101 wrote: The debtate took place as to a human mind holding a conciousness seperate from the brain. Because this would eventually mean, our conciousness derives from within just as much as the Brain. And ultimately, this would meet the prophecy of the Bible stating "Your body is your temple" and also, of the "Holy Spirit.
And conclusively, this would mean all logic of Atheists would go out the door, simply because they belive no brain means no conciousness, therefore no eternity.

This link was brought on by an opposition as to the debate. (little did they know, it actually helped support my position).
http://io9.com/5862418/10-bodily-functi ... fter-death


Now, the truth. Copy and pasted, please read on.

This is an article explaining what happens to the human body after death in scientific terms. As in, digestion and etc.

The point of the post is of the mind. I did relate the physical act of body as a premesis for the individuality of the mind between the brain and the body. However, this does not explain the situation of a mind being available within the body on its own merit. This rather addresses again, the scientific notions as to what happens physically within a body after it is left braindead.

The reason of this thread was to bring about the idea that body and the head can survive on its own without one supporting another. And infact that has been proved under your given evidence, however, the more important issues here are, the splitting of the mind existing under its own merit.

Wiith this said, i have given you a link of the wiki stating such happening, and this can bring about another question of the mind.

Can the body able to functio and be concious without the brain.

And this question also have been answered through the wiki link I have posted, the answer simply is what it is.

The adrnaline consists of fight and flight response, it is the core of the structure of how adrenaline comes about, and because of it, figght and flight response is related heavily with emotion resulting to fear.

If an emotion is brought about, fear in this case, also calls for euphoria or joy. If a human body can think on its own merit without the given brain, the logic of physics can infact be dismissed here.

As noted by your source, the cells of the body are infact working under its own conditions, and that would ultimately call for structured behavior on its own.

Without the cells of our body which make up for our body, including the thoughts of our brain and such, it is also recognized and should be noted here that cells OF THE BODY is under conciousness as well.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/awnew.htm
What neuroscience has established is that each brain cell functions as a separate receiving unit. There are a variety of routes for passing information from cell to cell, including direct channels between cell interiors in some cases

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.


Then with this in mind, we would need to rely ion if cells can live without a body, and the answer is ofcourse yes. This would mean conciousness outside our body. As in, beggining of eternity.

For the ignorant Atheists, here is the deal under raw terms. Cells within our body with our given conciousness expands infinitely (A flu is an example), so if a single a single cell remembers all patterns of life (thus every cell has a DNA) then its established here under "sicentific notions" that there is infact eternity.

Everything stated here can be explained scientifically under the teachings of Buddah so far. (mid level)

Christs teachings of eternity is par above buddahs and will be explained later.


Will post later.

Thanks for helping prove our (atheist) point...Inside the body is a universe within itself..Eons of evolution can be your only conclusion...Life is just life...Even a virus only wants to live...It doesn't know what its doing is a bad thing...It just wants to live and multiply... Im glad your finaly opening up your mind...Now lets go cut so more heads off..

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To talk about a consciouss cell is meaningless. No cell is self aware. What we think of as thought is an emergent property of millions of millions of neurons working together.

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Re: The evidence of Concioussness existing without a brain

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TheTruth101 wrote: The debtate took place as to a human mind holding a conciousness seperate from the brain. Because this would eventually mean, our conciousness derives from within just as much as the Brain.
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