How did God get his moral values?

[Ooberman]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

[connermt]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

God can do what it wants when it wants to whomever it wants.
God can go against its own rules
There's no questioning god!

[Joab]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

God is not bound by morality, only man is.

Any atrocity committed by god is moral for god.

He is thus, by definition, AMORAL.

And by definition, then, not the source of objective morality. If such a thing exists.

[connermt]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

God is not bound by morality, only man is.

Any atrocity committed by god is moral for god.

He is thus, by definition, AMORAL.

And by definition, then, not the source of objective morality. If such a thing exists.

Well said

[Ooberman]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

God is not bound by morality, only man is.

Any atrocity committed by god is moral for god.

How do we verify this? This seems to be an unfounded assertion, whether a god exists, or we are talking about the Philosophers God.

I don't see how morality can be unbounded. Surely, God has a certain make-up as a "person". In order to be something, you can't also be everything else. That's incoherent.

(The Empire State Building was the tallest building in the world... and the shortest...)

He is thus, by definition, AMORAL.

I'm not sure if a God, a priori, must be this. Certainly most theists don't think so (which isn't really telling us much).

Both positions seem to suffer from an ability to verify the claims.

And by definition, then, not the source of objective morality. If such a thing exists.

I'm not sure if I can accept this conclusion yet.



However, I think the interesting to think about, if there were 10000000 different possible worlds in which there were 10000000 different Gods, why must they all be exactly like the God proposed by Theists?

I'm not seeing the Law that dictates what a God must be.

[1213]

...when God had no control over his moral values?

I would like to see your answers to these questions.
1. What do you think are God’s moral values?
2. Why you think so?
3. And on what basis God has no control over his moral values?

[dianaiad]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

God is not bound by morality, only man is.

Any atrocity committed by god is moral for god.

He is thus, by definition, AMORAL.

And by definition, then, not the source of objective morality. If such a thing exists.

Well said

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[EduChris]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

Christians claim not that God is the "pinnacle of morality"; rather, we claim is that God is self-giving, other-regarding love.

Morality is simply a term for that which conforms to self-giving, other-regarding love.

[scourge99]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

Christians claim not that God is the "pinnacle of morality"; rather, we claim is that God is self-giving, other-regarding love.

Morality is simply a term for that which conforms to self-giving, other-regarding love.

Perhaps you can translate this "god talk" into something unambiguous and clear that the layman can understand.

[Ooberman]

How does a theist claim that God is the pinnacle of morality, when God had no control over his moral values?

Christians claim not that God is the "pinnacle of morality"; rather, we claim is that God is self-giving, other-regarding love.

Morality is simply a term for that which conforms to self-giving, other-regarding love.

Perhaps you can translate this "god talk" into something unambiguous and clear that the layman can understand.

Yes, that made no sense to me... but I suspect that was the point. To use God-Speak to confuse rather than enlighten.