Jesus resurrection

[Elijah John]

I try to keep an open mind about the possibility of Jesus resurrection, and am somewhat agnostic on the matter.

But even if he is risen, what actually does that prove?

Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

Does it vindicate his mission, a triumph over death and the powers of evil that condemned him to death?

It would be different if Jesus raised himself, but I'm pretty sure the Bible indicates in a variety of ways that God did the raising.

What do you think?

[Zzyzx]

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I try to keep an open mind about the possibility of Jesus resurrection, and am somewhat agnostic on the matter.

Although I am not as open minded on the matter as you, I am wiling to consider the possibility that such a thing actually, literally occurred provided evidence is presented to verify stories in religious literature (the only place the event is known to have been recorded).

But even if he is risen, what actually does that prove?

IF the resurrection actually happened, two possibilities occur to me. 1) the death was not an actual human death, 2) something supernatural happened.

Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

Writers of the stories encourage people to believe that the raising occurred – and let them argue about who was responsible.

Does it vindicate his mission, a triumph over death and the powers of evil that condemned him to death?

It is often cited as proof of divinity. Whether it is or not may be open to debate.

It would be different if Jesus raised himself, but I'm pretty sure the Bible indicates in a variety of ways that God did the raising.

If Jesus and god are claimed to be "one" the issue is a bit confusing (at best).

What do you think?

I think that it is most likely that Jesus died and stayed dead – but his followers claimed that he came back to life.

[Jashwell]

I try to keep an open mind about the possibility of Jesus resurrection, and am somewhat agnostic on the matter.

But even if he is risen, what actually does that prove?

That he came back to life. Nothing more.

Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

No and no.

Does it vindicate his mission, a triumph over death and the powers of evil that condemned him to death?

Vindicate to them? Depends what they think.

[connermt]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

But even if he is risen, what actually does that prove?

That The Walking Dead is more accurate than we thought

Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

Not in the least

Does it vindicate his mission, a triumph over death and the powers of evil that condemned him to death?

Depend on who is asked I suppose. As well as what his mission was, and how that's verified. Many thing he was nothing more than a political trouble maker. Maybe his mission was nothing more than to cause political chaos?

What do you think?

The bible has its good and bad parts. It's nothing about real supernatural events or beings. At the most, it's a mis-identified record of things that may, or may not have, happened.

[charlo921]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Jesus was God made flesh

[dianaiad]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Jesus was God made flesh

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Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

God raised him up the third day, and gave him to be revealed,
Acts 10:40

I think it was especially for his disciples as sign that his words were the truth. And that gave his disciples the power to carry on and spread the Gospel. If that would not have happened his disciples would not probably have had the courage and spirit to continue.

[Elijah John]

Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

God raised him up the third day, and gave him to be revealed,
Acts 10:40

I think it was especially for his disciples as sign that his words were the truth. And that gave his disciples the power to carry on and spread the Gospel. If that would not have happened his disciples would not probably have had the courage and spirit to continue.

I agree with you that if Jesus DID rise, he did not raise himself but was raised by God the Father.

And I think that is a valid purpose you cite there, for the benefit of his disciples, among other reasons.

But I do not think in any way it proves Jesus was Divine, as he did not just rouse himself as one rouses oneself out of sleep when one gets up in the morning.

[dalekidd1956]

I try to keep an open mind about the possibility of Jesus resurrection, and am somewhat agnostic on the matter.

But even if he is risen, what actually does that prove?

Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

Does it vindicate his mission, a triumph over death and the powers of evil that condemned him to death?

It would be different if Jesus raised himself, but I'm pretty sure the Bible indicates in a variety of ways that God did the raising.

The resurrection of Jesus was the heart and soul of early Christianity. It was the focal point of their message from the outset. Without it, I do not believe there would have been any "Christianity", at least not as we know it.

They saw it as proof of his deity. And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. Rom 1:4.

They did see it as vindication of his mission. Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. Acts 2:22-24

They saw it as vindication of his triumph. And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Col 2:15. The antecedent of "it" is the cross in verse 14 but the cross is certainly not a symbol of victory apart from the resurrection which is mentioned in verse 12.

The Bible usually says that it was God who raised Jesus, but then in John 10:17-18 Jesus said, Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. If you believe in the deity of Jesus, there is no conflict.

What do you think?

I believe all of the above. After all, what good would a dead Messiah do anyone?

[Ooberman]

Does it prove that he is God? Or was it God who did the raising?

God raised him up the third day, and gave him to be revealed,
Acts 10:40

I think it was especially for his disciples as sign that his words were the truth. And that gave his disciples the power to carry on and spread the Gospel. If that would not have happened his disciples would not probably have had the courage and spirit to continue.

These don't follow.

First.

1. "Jesus did not rise from the dead." Now I have a quote, too!

Do you believe it because I quoted it?

2. We don't know what happened. Claiming something happened to his disciples is like saying Coke is better than Pepsi because Coke spokespeople say so.

3. People have had the courage and spirit to do all kinds of things, like fly planes into buildings. That doesn't say anything about whether God had them do it or not.