Is gravity a state of force?

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Is gravity a state of force?

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Is gravity a state of force?
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0nce upon a time and in the 17th century, Vatican Scientific Authority propagated the dogma that curvature of space causes sun and moon and planets and stars to obit around earth. In the 21st century, Vatican Scientific Authority still propagates the dogma that curvature of space causes moon to orbit around the earth. And I still hear from the science of stupid that curvature also causes lift.
What is force?
Is relatively equivalent to force the same as force?
Is gravity a state of force?

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r~ wrote: What is force?
That can depend on which definitions you are inclined to embrace.

In physics a force can potentially described as a mathematical abstraction that arises when describing the state of motion of observable objects.

That may not be very physically intuitive or informative. So to make the concept of force a little more physical intuitive we can also talk about force fields. Again a mathematics abstraction that can be supported physically and intuitively by actually measuring "forces" on objects within a force field. A measurement of force reverts back to the first description I offered. In other words, forces are measured by describing the state of of motion of observable objects. In this case, objects that are placed within a "force field". The force field can be said to be "physical" simply because it can be physically measured in this way.

Perhaps a better definition of "force" is given by particle theory in which subatomic particles called bosons are exchanged between objects that cause them to move in observable and measurable ways. However, these bosons themselves could potentially be just as abstract as force fields. Although bosons can be "seen" in the laboratory as tracks in particle accelerators.


So that at least three of the forces are described in this way, electromagnetic, strong and weak force. And all these bosons have been discovered, or seen in the lab.

A forth boson called a graviton has been proposed for gravity, but to my knowledge it has not yet been seen in the lab, and may not exist.
r~ wrote: Is gravity a state of force?
Einstein's General Relativity describes gravity as a curvature of a fabric of spacetime. But once again, the "Fabric of Spacetime" itself is an abstract mathematical object. Whether it actually exists as a physical entity is hard to say.

I personally feel that since Einstein's description of gravity works so well there is no need for a graviton. Perhaps gravity is not a force at all, but simply a curvature of the fabric of spacetime. The only problem is that we don't really have any physical evidence for what would constitute this "fabric" of spacetime.

Because of this it may be possible that the bosons called gravitons actually constitute this fabric. So it's possible that both of these pictures are correct. In other words, gravity is actually caused by gravitons which in turn constitute the fabric of spacetime. I don't think this question has been settled yet. To the best of my knowledge gravitons have not yet been discovered. But I could be wrong about that, I haven't been keeping up on the latest physics journals.
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When does self evident observation void divine insight? And thanks for the plethora of scientific words and insight into what science dogma tells us so.

Mass fired due west is observed to curve north.
Acceleration is reaction to what?
a) curvature of air,
b) field of dark energy,
c) field of pressure differential,
d) and hard to see mass flowing by
e) other

Any questions?

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r~ wrote: Any questions?
I have no questions for you. I was simply offering the scientific answers to the questions you had asked. If you don't like the scientific answers then I have nothing more to offer you. Insofar as I know there are no other answers to these questions, save for perhaps answers like "The fairies did it". But I never heard of anyone producing any credible evidence for those kinds of answers.

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"What is a force?" I find to be a surprisingly difficult question, ontologically speaking.

When thinking in the maximally abstract, I consider forces as an expression of relation between 4-dimensional objects.

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r~ wrote:
What is force?
I've always like the oxford dictonary for things like this.

Physics: An influence tending to change the motion of a body or produce motion or stress in a stationary body. The magnitude of such an influence is often calculated by multiplying the mass of the body by its acceleration.

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def: good
force is mass acceleration
def: redundant
acceleration is change in vector in verse velocity and vice versa
gravity is a force and curvature is not
newton et.al, Questions?

now is always a good time to offer better words two by two
What are two properties of force?
1.
2.
What are two properties of mass?
1.
2.
Does gravity force relative mass acceleration? Is curvature reaction to force? Might an unforeseen wind alter the course of a bullet? What does Authority tell you so? How might you tell even better?

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challenge
ask any elementary student

1. How much dirt is in a hole 1’ diameter?
2. How dense is a dark and bottomless hole 1’ diameter after 13 and a lot of 0^2 years later?
3. What is the force that gravitates dust bunnies to my hoover?

Better still ask a hyphenated physicist.

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So what are you postulating causes the moon to orbit the earth and the earth to orbit the sun?
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caveat emptor
I see through your mark. I know why you fear to answer to me first.

What is the force that gravitates matter toward vacuum energy differential?
Is curvature a force? Really?

Name an observation of gravity that is not consistent with inertial pressure differential.

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