God, justice, fairness and perfection

[Justin108]

For this debate, I need you to answer each of these questions in order.

1. Is God perfectly fair and just?

2. If God is not perfectly fair and just, does that mean God is by definition imperfect?

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

4. If everyone does not have an equal chance in getting into heaven, is God still perfectly fair and just?

[JLB32168]

For this debate, I need you to answer each of these questions in order.

1. Is God perfectly fair and just?

Christian theology teaches that He is and that while some occurrences might seem to question that fairness and justice it is only because we do not have all of the information that God has; therefore, some inscrutable summum bonum exists for why these enigmatic things could accomplish the highest good.

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

Some confessions teach this. Others do not. I can only speak for Eastern Orthodoxy, which teaches that all men are eligible for salvation.

[bluethread]

For this debate, I need you to answer each of these questions in order.

1. Is God perfectly fair and just?

Yes

2. If God is not perfectly fair and just, does that mean God is by definition imperfect?

Yes, if one sees fair and just as lollipops and rainbows for everyone that would be true.

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

Only if chance is the only determinant.

4. If everyone does not have an equal chance in getting into heaven, is God still perfectly fair and just?

Not according to egalitarian philosophy.

[Justin108]

For this debate, I need you to answer each of these questions in order.

1. Is God perfectly fair and just?

Christian theology teaches that He is and that while some occurrences might seem to question that fairness and justice it is only because we do not have all of the information that God has; therefore, some inscrutable summum bonum exists for why these enigmatic things could accomplish the highest good.

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

Some confessions teach this. Others do not. I can only speak for Eastern Orthodoxy, which teaches that all men are eligible for salvation.

I didn't ask if everyone was eligible, I asked if everyone has an
equal chance. Anyone who plays the lottery is eligible to win, but someone who buys 1000 tickets has a much greater chance.

Does everyone have an equal chance at salvation? Does a born-into-Islam Iraqi or a born-into-Hindu Indian have the same chance at believing in Jesus, thereby receiving his salvation, than a born-into-Christianity American does? Now before you respond with "yes but not all believers go to heaven", that is still the first step. You need to believe (Mark 16:16) before taking the next step in accepting Jesus. People born the US have a far greater chance to believe in Jesus (step 1) than anyone born in India or Iraq does. So does everyone have an equal chance at receiving salvation?

[ttruscott]

For this debate, I need you to answer each of these questions in order.

1. Is God perfectly fair and just?

2. If God is not perfectly fair and just, does that mean God is by definition imperfect?

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

4. If everyone does not have an equal chance in getting into heaven, is God still perfectly fair and just?

1. Yes. 2. Moot since 1 is Yes. 3. Yes. 4. Moot since 3 is Yes.

Everyone was created with a true free will and the ability and opportunity to become perfectly holy or perfectly evil.

Anyone who ends in hell started by making a choice against that which they knew someone who claimed to be their GOD said would end badly, believing that if HE were GOD, they were indeed doomed. No one ends in hell by mistake but by the desire to be their own god and take their chances with an unproven (therefore probably, even hopefully false) real GOD.

[JLB32168]

I didn't ask if everyone was eligible, I asked if everyone has an equal chance. Anyone who plays the lottery is eligible to win, but someone who buys 1000 tickets has a much greater chance.

I’m sorry. I read the question wrong. Yes, everyone has an equal chance for salvation.

Does everyone have an equal chance at salvation? Does a born-into-Islam Iraqi or a born-into-Hindu Indian have the same chance at believing in Jesus, thereby receiving his salvation, than a born-into-Christianity American does?

Eastern Orthodoxy teaches that we are responsible for the amount of truth that has been delivered to us. This conceivably means that a righteous Hindu who loves his neighbor would be saved over a Christian who has rejected the tenets of his faith and treats everyone disdainfully.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

For this debate, I need you to answer each of these questions in order.

1. Is God perfectly fair and just?

2. If God is not perfectly fair and just, does that mean God is by definition imperfect?

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

4. If everyone does not have an equal chance in getting into heaven, is God still perfectly fair and just?

1. Is God perfectly fair and just?

"Fair" and "just" are human concepts; human opinions, and they vary from person to person. There are events. Humans hold individual opinions on whether or not these events are fair or just, right or wrong, good or bad.

2. If God is not perfectly fair and just, does that mean God is by definition imperfect??

The existence of God is a human opinion, created by humans and declared to be true. The opinion on God varies from individual to individual and from group to group. Humans are imperfect.

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

Opinions vary. According to popular Christian dogma, for choosing to rebel against God Satan can never get into heaven and will be forced to endure an eternity of suffering. Satan was created by God to fall. If Satan was NOT created by God to fall, then God failed to get the result He intended to get when He created Satan. Whether it is fair or not for Satan to be sentenced to an eternity of suffering for being what God created him to be is a matter of opinion.

Also, apparently only the most abjectly gullible, those who believe on faith that corpses come back to life and fly away, or that the Earth once stop rotating for about 24 hours, have any chance of going to heaven. Those with an ounce of incredulity in them will be excluded. Whether this should be considered fair and just or not seems to be not only a matter of opinion, but also seems to be directly related to a person's mental acuity.

4. If everyone does not have an equal chance in getting into heaven, is God still perfectly fair and just?

For anyone to believe that any of this self contradictory nonsense has any possible connection to anything valid and true is foolishness. But that's just my opinion.

[Justin108]

3. Does everyone have an equal chance in getting into heaven?

Only if chance is the only determinant

Regardless of if it's the only determinant, it is still a determinant. Some have an advantage that others lack. Therefor, it is not perfectly fair

[anontheist]

[Replying to post 1 by Justin108]

I am just curious, would it matter if God existed or not?

I guess I am curious, what is the debate?

[Justin108]

Everyone was created with a true free will and the ability and opportunity to become perfectly holy or perfectly evil.

Scripture and/or other support please

Anyone who ends in hell started by making a choice against that which they knew someone who claimed to be their GOD said would end badly, believing that if HE were GOD, they were indeed doomed.

I never made such a choice and I never knew someone who claimed to be God. This claim is false unless you can demonstrate otherwise

No one ends in hell by mistake but by the desire to be their own god and take their chances with an unproven (therefore probably, even hopefully false) real GOD.

I have no desire to be god. You cannot tell me what I desire any more than I can tell you what you desire. Would it be fair if I claimed you believe in god only because you fear death?

I'm not sure what you mean by taking our chances with an unproven god? Are we going to hell for actually BELIEVING in an unproven god? Isn't it the other way around?