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Bible versions and translations (Engilish only)

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Here is a list of English language versions / translations of the Bible.

Which, if any, of them can be trusted to be truthful and accurate presentation of “The Word of God�?

If / when there are differences, which version is to be accepted (and why)?

Which can be discounted as faulty (and why)?

1. 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
2. American Standard Version (ASV)
3. Amplified Bible (AMP)
4. Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
5. BRG Bible (BRG)
6. Common English Bible (CEB)
7. Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
8. Contemporary English Version (CEV)
9. Darby Translation (DARBY)
10. Disciples’ Literal New Testament (DLNT) NT
11. Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
12. Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
13. English Standard Version (ESV)
14. English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
15. Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
17. GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
18. Good News Translation (GNT)
19. Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
20. International Children’s Bible (ICB)
21. International Standard Version (ISV)
22. J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS) NT
23. Jubilee Bible 2000 (JUB)
24. King James Version (KJV)
25. Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
26. Lexham English Bible (LEB)
27. Living Bible (TLB)
28. The Message (MSG)
29. Modern English Version (MEV)
30. Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament (MOUNCE) NT
31. Names of God Bible (NOG)
32. New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
33. New American Standard Bible (NASB)
34. New Century Version (NCV)
35. New English Translation (NET Bible)
36. New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
37. New International Version (NIV)
38. New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
39. New King James Version (NKJV)
40. New Life Version (NLV)
41. New Living Translation (NLT)
42. New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
43. New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
44. New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)
45. New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
46. Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
47. Revised Standard Version (RSV)
48. Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
49. Tree of Life Version (TLV)
50. The Voice (VOICE)
51. World English Bible (WEB)
52. Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE) NT
53. Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
54. Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
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55. New World Translation Bible
56. Jerusalem Bible
57. New Jerusalem Bible
58. Moffatt New Translation (MRT)
59 New English Bible (NEB)
60. Revised English Bible with the Apocrypha (REB)
61. "Jefferson Bible" (The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth)


https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/
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Re: Bible versions and translations (Engilish only)

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All of them can be used to learn the will of God. The différences are certainly nothing that makes the above impossible.


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JehovahsWitness wrote: All of them can be used to learn the will of God.
Is everything said in all versions accurate representation of "the word of God"?
JehovahsWitness wrote: The différences are certainly nothing that makes the above impossible.
The purpose of debate is NOT to learn the "word of God" but to challenge or defend what is claimed. Often much is often made of specific wording of "scripture" -- while different versions use different words or say different things.

Does one just choose a version as "best" because it fits their personal / religious preference?
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Zzyzx wrote:
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
All of them can be used to learn the will of God.


Is everything said in all versions accurate representation of "the word of God"?


All translations are not equal, so while all translations are representations of the word of God and can be used for the purpose for which they were written, and I would confidently say that the majority of modern translations are reletively accurate to the original text, some translations are as accurate as others.

Sceptics extrapolate this to draw the conclusion that accurate truth cannot be found using any bible translation, this is false. Those looking for religious truth (not you, anyone reading that is doing this) can have confidence that using any bible translation truth can be found.
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Zzyzx wrote: Is everything said in all versions accurate representation of "the word of God"?
All translations are not equal,
Okay. Which ones, if any, are more accurate representations of “the word of God� than which others and why?
JehovahsWitness wrote: so while all translations are representations of the word of God and can be used for the purpose for which they were written,
Do different English language Bibles have different “purpose for which they are written�?
JehovahsWitness wrote: and I would confidently say that the majority of modern translations are reletively accurate to the original text, some translations are as accurate as others.
This seems to imply that some Bible versions (“translations�) are more accurate than others. How is that determined?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sceptics extrapolate this to draw the conclusion that accurate truth cannot be found using any bible translation, this is false.
This Non-Theist ASKS Bible Believers to identify what “truth� can be found in the Bible – exactly, specifically – and how anyone interested can verify that what is said is truthful and accurate. Care to take a stab at that?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Those looking for religious truth can have confidence that using any bible translation they can find it.
What, exactly, is meant by “religious truth�?

Is “religious truth� different from real-world, literal, actual truth?

How can “religious truth� be distinguished from opinion and imagination?
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
All translations are not equal, so while all translations are representations of the word of God and can be used for the purpose for which they were written, and I would confidently say that the majority of modern translations are reletively accurate to the original text, some translations are as accurate as others.
In my experiences many Christians claim that certain translations can't be trusted. I have heard of many who claim that the King James version can't be relied upon. There is even one theist member of this website that claims that many of these bibles were translated by biased people, with axes to grind and who are even trying to mislead people.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sceptics extrapolate this to draw the conclusion that accurate truth cannot be found using any bible translation, this is false.
Well why is it that there are so many Christians taking words from the original texts and applying completely different meanings to scripture. Words that completely change what's being said in the bible?

These aren't just minor discrepancies we are talking about. They are MAJOR discrepancies. How can one possibly trust an English version when there are so many major errors in translations?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Those looking for religious truth can have confidence that using any bible translation they can find it.
This is obviously not true. I spent close to 40 years of my life studying the bible. I was constantly bombarded with different perspectives coming from different Christians, all insisting their perspectives were right. I also learnt that scriptures could be taken many different ways. In the end I came to the conclusion that it was futile to try to gain truth from the bible. There was just no way I could be confident about anything it said.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

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Zzyzx wrote: .
Here is a list of English language versions / translations of the Bible.

Which, if any, of them can be trusted to be truthful and accurate presentation of “The Word of God�?
I haven't read them all, but the ones I have studied have all contained self-contradictions.
Zzyzx wrote: Which can be discounted as faulty (and why)?
I would personally discount any as being "faulty" if they simply contain self-contradictions.

I am unaware of any Bible that doesn't contain self-contradictions. I would also imagine that if such a canon existed it would stand out like a sore thumb and be quite well-known. Since no Bible has been able to meet that criteria my guess is that no such Bible exists.
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Hi Mr. Z!!

I don't really get hung up on translations too much. I actually use a lot of them. The bottom line, is that it is all God's word. Sure, there might be a few discrepancies, but one doesn't really discredit the others.

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Hi PN. How can stories written by men be "God's word"?

Any claims that writers were "inspired by God" are nothing more than opinion that cannot be shown to be true.

Thus, it comes down to "believe on faith" or "take my word (or his)" that which cannot be evidenced.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

All of them can be used to learn the will of God. The différences are certainly nothing that makes the above impossible.


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Have Jehovah's Witnesses Changed their Bible to fit their Beliefs?

No, we haven’t. On the contrary, when we have discovered that our beliefs were not completely in line with the Bible, we have changed our beliefs.


So I guess it's a good thing Zzyzx didn't include the New World Translation Bible which is used by JW's for bible study and purports to be a better version of all the bibles.

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