Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Argue for and against Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
OgdoadPantheon
Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:58 am
Been thanked: 1 time

Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #1

Post by OgdoadPantheon »

Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.

https://anibookquotes.com/quote/ezcnsq9 ... bb935r2r5w

User avatar
1213
Savant
Posts: 12737
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:06 am
Location: Finland
Has thanked: 443 times
Been thanked: 467 times

Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #2

Post by 1213 »

OgdoadPantheon wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:08 am Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.

https://anibookquotes.com/quote/ezcnsq9 ... bb935r2r5w
I think that is very ignorant claim. Horus was not really born virgin, if you read for example what Wikipedia says about it.

"In one tale, Horus is born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis, which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish/Medjed,[15][16] or sometimes depicted as instead by a crab, and according to Plutarch's account used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a phallus[17] to conceive her son (older Egyptian accounts have the penis of Osiris surviving)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
My new book can be read freely from here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rIkqxC ... xtqFY/view

Old version can be read from here:
http://web.archive.org/web/202212010403 ... x_eng.html

OgdoadPantheon
Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:58 am
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #3

Post by OgdoadPantheon »

Your source is Wikipedia? You should read what actual Egyptologists have to say on the matter. For instance, Erik Hornug says:

https://anibookquotes.com/quote/m1w55l2 ... fdne614tkl

Notice how your own quote says "In one tale, Horus is born to the goddess Isis..." implying that there are multiple tales. There are indeed multiple tales, one of which Isis is impregnated after a flash of lighnting. As to the phallus that wiki mentions, it was a prostetic one designed for drama. There's a reason why she couldn't find all of Osiris parts except the phallus. The actual conception happens with Isis hovering over Osiris (as a bird mind you) flapping her magical wings that produce the holy spirit (wind). She literally used magical wind (holy spirit) to resurrect Orisis as Horus.

User avatar
theophile
Guru
Posts: 1664
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:09 pm
Has thanked: 80 times
Been thanked: 135 times

Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #4

Post by theophile »

OgdoadPantheon wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:08 am Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.

https://anibookquotes.com/quote/ezcnsq9 ... bb935r2r5w
I am not expert on the Egyptian stories but I think we see a very similar unfolding in Genesis 1. More precisely Genesis 1:2. Here we see at the beginning of all things the spirit of God 'impregnating' a female, material goddess, in this case tehom, Babylonian Tiamat, or in more literal terms a watery, womb-like, deep. Their union gives birth to the light, Christ, or Horus. You can see this same concept repeated in the new testament with the virgin Mary who takes on this role...

The difference perhaps is in the partnership we see unfolding in Genesis 1. For instance, no one loses a penis here. And no one dies (like, say, how Tiamat dies in the Enuma Elish).

User avatar
1213
Savant
Posts: 12737
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:06 am
Location: Finland
Has thanked: 443 times
Been thanked: 467 times

Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #5

Post by 1213 »

OgdoadPantheon wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:43 pm Your source is Wikipedia? You should read what actual Egyptologists have to say on the matter. For instance, Erik Hornug says:

https://anibookquotes.com/quote/m1w55l2 ... fdne614tkl

Notice how your own quote says "In one tale, Horus is born to the goddess Isis..." implying that there are multiple tales. There are indeed multiple tales, one of which Isis is impregnated after a flash of lighnting. As to the phallus that wiki mentions, it was a prostetic one designed for drama. There's a reason why she couldn't find all of Osiris parts except the phallus. The actual conception happens with Isis hovering over Osiris (as a bird mind you) flapping her magical wings that produce the holy spirit (wind). She literally used magical wind (holy spirit) to resurrect Orisis as Horus.
Ok, so how can I trust how it happened, if there are multiple stories?

Also, I think it would be good to understand, Holy Spirit is not a wind.
My new book can be read freely from here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rIkqxC ... xtqFY/view

Old version can be read from here:
http://web.archive.org/web/202212010403 ... x_eng.html

OgdoadPantheon
Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:58 am
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #6

Post by OgdoadPantheon »

Ok, so how can I trust how it happened, if there are multiple stories?

Also, I think it would be good to understand, Holy Spirit is not a wind.
Yes, yes it is. We get the word “spirit” from the Latin “spiritus” which means breath (literally, to push air). The wind was seen as god breathing. The Egyptians would have understood that Isis creating wind to reanimate Osiris as Horus as a kind of holy spirit of god.

It's clearly a myth derived from Egyptian philosophy. Myth doesn't need to happen one particular way because the point of myth isn't to tell history, it's to convey ideas. So it's silly for you to want to “trust how it happened”. It didn't. That's the point.

bjs1
Guru
Posts: 1029
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:18 pm
Has thanked: 48 times
Been thanked: 251 times

Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #7

Post by bjs1 »

OgdoadPantheon wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:08 am Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.

https://anibookquotes.com/quote/ezcnsq9 ... bb935r2r5w
This link takes us to a quote from Moustafa Gadalla, an amateur Egyptologist whose only degree is in civil engineering. He has not received degrees in Egyptian history or mythology, biblical studies, or even the ancient languages required to read the texts he makes revisionist claims about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moustafa_Gadalla

His claims, like the claim that Horus was born of a virgin in Egyptian mythology, are almost universally rejected by actual Egyptologists.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
-Charles Darwin

User avatar
1213
Savant
Posts: 12737
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:06 am
Location: Finland
Has thanked: 443 times
Been thanked: 467 times

Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right

Post #8

Post by 1213 »

OgdoadPantheon wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:55 am Yes, yes it is. We get the word “spirit” from the Latin “spiritus” which means breath (literally, to push air).
But, the Bible defines spirit something else than just a wind.
My new book can be read freely from here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rIkqxC ... xtqFY/view

Old version can be read from here:
http://web.archive.org/web/202212010403 ... x_eng.html

Post Reply