Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.
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Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right
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Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right
Post #2I think that is very ignorant claim. Horus was not really born virgin, if you read for example what Wikipedia says about it.OgdoadPantheon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:08 am Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.
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"In one tale, Horus is born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis, which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish/Medjed,[15][16] or sometimes depicted as instead by a crab, and according to Plutarch's account used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a phallus[17] to conceive her son (older Egyptian accounts have the penis of Osiris surviving)."
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Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right
Post #3Your source is Wikipedia? You should read what actual Egyptologists have to say on the matter. For instance, Erik Hornug says:
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Notice how your own quote says "In one tale, Horus is born to the goddess Isis..." implying that there are multiple tales. There are indeed multiple tales, one of which Isis is impregnated after a flash of lighnting. As to the phallus that wiki mentions, it was a prostetic one designed for drama. There's a reason why she couldn't find all of Osiris parts except the phallus. The actual conception happens with Isis hovering over Osiris (as a bird mind you) flapping her magical wings that produce the holy spirit (wind). She literally used magical wind (holy spirit) to resurrect Orisis as Horus.
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Notice how your own quote says "In one tale, Horus is born to the goddess Isis..." implying that there are multiple tales. There are indeed multiple tales, one of which Isis is impregnated after a flash of lighnting. As to the phallus that wiki mentions, it was a prostetic one designed for drama. There's a reason why she couldn't find all of Osiris parts except the phallus. The actual conception happens with Isis hovering over Osiris (as a bird mind you) flapping her magical wings that produce the holy spirit (wind). She literally used magical wind (holy spirit) to resurrect Orisis as Horus.
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Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right
Post #4I am not expert on the Egyptian stories but I think we see a very similar unfolding in Genesis 1. More precisely Genesis 1:2. Here we see at the beginning of all things the spirit of God 'impregnating' a female, material goddess, in this case tehom, Babylonian Tiamat, or in more literal terms a watery, womb-like, deep. Their union gives birth to the light, Christ, or Horus. You can see this same concept repeated in the new testament with the virgin Mary who takes on this role...OgdoadPantheon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:08 am Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.
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The difference perhaps is in the partnership we see unfolding in Genesis 1. For instance, no one loses a penis here. And no one dies (like, say, how Tiamat dies in the Enuma Elish).
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Post #5Ok, so how can I trust how it happened, if there are multiple stories?OgdoadPantheon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:43 pm Your source is Wikipedia? You should read what actual Egyptologists have to say on the matter. For instance, Erik Hornug says:
https://anibookquotes.com/quote/m1w55l2 ... fdne614tkl
Notice how your own quote says "In one tale, Horus is born to the goddess Isis..." implying that there are multiple tales. There are indeed multiple tales, one of which Isis is impregnated after a flash of lighnting. As to the phallus that wiki mentions, it was a prostetic one designed for drama. There's a reason why she couldn't find all of Osiris parts except the phallus. The actual conception happens with Isis hovering over Osiris (as a bird mind you) flapping her magical wings that produce the holy spirit (wind). She literally used magical wind (holy spirit) to resurrect Orisis as Horus.
Also, I think it would be good to understand, Holy Spirit is not a wind.
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Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right
Post #6Yes, yes it is. We get the word “spirit” from the Latin “spiritus” which means breath (literally, to push air). The wind was seen as god breathing. The Egyptians would have understood that Isis creating wind to reanimate Osiris as Horus as a kind of holy spirit of god.Ok, so how can I trust how it happened, if there are multiple stories?
Also, I think it would be good to understand, Holy Spirit is not a wind.
It's clearly a myth derived from Egyptian philosophy. Myth doesn't need to happen one particular way because the point of myth isn't to tell history, it's to convey ideas. So it's silly for you to want to “trust how it happened”. It didn't. That's the point.
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Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right
Post #7This link takes us to a quote from Moustafa Gadalla, an amateur Egyptologist whose only degree is in civil engineering. He has not received degrees in Egyptian history or mythology, biblical studies, or even the ancient languages required to read the texts he makes revisionist claims about.OgdoadPantheon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:08 am Like Jesus, Horus was born of a virgin. Isis was impregnated by the holy spirit. In fact, the mystery of a virgin birth is Egyptian in origin. Christianity ought to pay respect to its philosophical forefather.
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His claims, like the claim that Horus was born of a virgin in Egyptian mythology, are almost universally rejected by actual Egyptologists.
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Re: Zeitgeist got the virgin birth right
Post #8But, the Bible defines spirit something else than just a wind.OgdoadPantheon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:55 am Yes, yes it is. We get the word “spirit” from the Latin “spiritus” which means breath (literally, to push air).
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