Several Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses

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1. Who wrestled with Jacob in Genesis 32:24-25? And when Jacob wrote, in K.J.B. Genesis 32:30, "I have seen God (Elohim) face to face and my life has been preserved."
N.W.T. Genesis 32:30, "I have seen God (Elohim) Face to face and yet my soul was delivered."

2. Who did the parents of Samson see and make their offering to? And when it was over, Manoah said to his wife,

God or Elohim is in uppercase in both verses and both Bibles: The N.W.T. reads, "We shall positively die, because it is God (Elohim) that we have seen."
The K.J.B. reads, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God (Elohim)."

If you were a person off the street, and knew little about the Bible and had no religious affiliations, and read the verses above, who would you say the parents of Samson and Jacob saw? Please be honest in your response.

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1. Who wrestled with Jacob in Genesis 32:24-25?

And Jacob was left alone. And a Man wrestled with him until the ascending of the dawn.
Gen. 32:24

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1. Who wrestled with Jacob in Genesis 32:24-25?

And Jacob was left alone. And a Man wrestled with him until the ascending of the dawn.
Gen. 32:24

I know, but Jacob called the man he wrestled with "God," Elohim. Why would Jacob do that if the person he wrestled with was a man? Jacob was the leader of his people, and he was a Jew who believed in one God. The man he wrestled with blessed him, changed his name to Israel, prophesied that Jacob would have power with God and with men, then touched Jacob's thigh and miraculously gave him a limp. Then Jacob said of this person, "I have seen God and lived."

I believe this was Jesus Christ before he was born. If a stranger came up to you and said 1213, I'm changing your name, would you say okay? I wouldn't, and I know no one who would. (Common sense). But if Jehovah changed your name, that's another story.

It's almost the exact words Manoah said about the man he met, the man who prophesied concerning a coming son, a son they would name Samson. Again, the evidence points to the man Manoah and his wife met and made an offering to was Jesus before he came to us, God with us.

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1. Who wrestled with Jacob in Genesis 32:24-25?

And Jacob was left alone. And a Man wrestled with him until the ascending of the dawn.
Gen. 32:24

I know, but Jacob called the man he wrestled with "God," Elohim. Why would Jacob do that if the person he wrestled with was a man? Jacob was the leader of his people, and he was a Jew who believed in one God. The man he wrestled with blessed him, changed his name to Israel, prophesied that Jacob would have power with God and with men, then touched Jacob's thigh and miraculously gave him a limp. Then Jacob said of this person, "I have seen God and lived."

I believe this was Jesus Christ before he was born. If a stranger came up to you and said 1213, I'm changing your name, would you say okay? I wouldn't, and I know no one who would. (Common sense). But if Jehovah changed your name, that's another story.

It's almost the exact words Manoah said about the man he met, the man who prophesied concerning a coming son, a son they would name Samson. Again, the evidence points to the man Manoah and his wife met and made an offering to was Jesus before he came to us, God with us.

So Manoah "took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD." (Judges 13:19, KJV) Of course the LORD is Jehovah. It is Jehovah that Manoah made an offering to. So we are talking about two Beings here, Jehovah and "the angel of Jehovah." This angel was who they met in the land of the Philistines (and it could've been Jesus before he came to Earth), and told Manoah's wife that she would bear a son. The LORD and the angel are two different Persons. Why would we think that Manoah made an offering to Jesus?

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I know, but Jacob called the man he wrestled with "God," Elohim. Why would Jacob do that if the person he wrestled with was a man?....

Because the man called himself that first. The reason why I don't believe the man was really the God is, because:

No one has seen God at any time... .
John 1:18
… He is the image of the invisible God....
Col. 1:14-16
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

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I know, but Jacob called the man he wrestled with "God," Elohim. Why would Jacob do that if the person he wrestled with was a man?....

Because the man called himself that first. The reason why I don't believe the man was really the God is, because:

No one has seen God at any time... .
John 1:18
… He is the image of the invisible God....
Col. 1:14-16
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

Yes, no one had seen the Father, even heard His voice anytime. (John 5:37)
Jesus is the word, yes? (John 1:1)
The word of the LORD came to Abram, and Abram addressed the word of the LORD as Lord GOD. (NASB) Notice the LORD and Lord God. (Gen 15:1-3, 4-8)
The LORD speaks to Samuel, and LORD revealed Himself to Samuel by the word of the LORD.(1Sam 3:1,10-11,21)
Whom was seen was not the Father but the word of the LORD as Jesus, called by Abram as Lord GOD.
Same case with "angel of the Lord", "the man/God whom Jacob wrestled". It was Jesus, the appearances were seen as temporary manifestations of Christ as God's Messenger before His incarnation.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you; Your reward shall be very great.”
Gen 15:2 But Abram said, “Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
Gen 15:3 Abram also said, “Since You have given me no son, one who has been born in my house is my heir.”
Gen 15:4 Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “This man will not be your heir; but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”
Gen 15:5 And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
Gen 15:6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He credited it to him as righteousness.
Gen 15:7 And He said to him, “I am the LORD who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to possess it.”
Gen 15:8 But he said, “Lord GOD, how may I know that I will possess it?”

1Sa 3:1 Now the boy Samuel was attending to the service of the LORD before Eli. And word from the LORD was rare in those days; visions were infrequent.
1Sa 3:10 Then the LORD came and stood, and called as at the other times: “Samuel! Samuel!” And Samuel said, “Speak, for Your servant is listening.”
1Sa 3:11 Then the LORD said to Samuel, “Behold, I am going to do a thing in Israel, and both ears of everyone who hears about it will ring.
1Sa 3:21 And the LORD appeared again at Shiloh, because the LORD revealed Himself to Samuel at Shiloh by the word of the LORD.

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Jesus is the word, yes? (John 1:1)
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I don't think Bible says he is.

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Jesus is the word, yes? (John 1:1)
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I don't think Bible says he is.

The word became flesh. I will not believe you don't know who He is.

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Jesus is the word, yes? (John 1:1)
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I don't think Bible says he is.

The word became flesh.

That is not the same as "Jesus is the word".

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Jesus is the word, yes? (John 1:1)
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I don't think Bible says he is.

The word became flesh.

That is not the same as "Jesus is the word".

So, who do you think the "word of the LORD' seen by Samuel?
As the word was with the Father, and the word was God.