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How would you prove God exists?

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The number of people who reject the idea of God varies in different parts of the world. In the U.S., it was found that only 40% of Americans now believe in the God of the Bible, 59% believe in Jesus Christ, and 29% believe in the Holy Spirit. So, how would you prove God exists to doubters?

My first approach would be based on scientific odds. Let’s look at the Mathematical probabilities of the Universe, D.N.A., and molecules having come about by chance based on the various factors that influenced their creation:

Stephen Hawking wrote, If the rate of the universe's expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in 10 to fifth power, the universe would have re-collapsed. The odds against the initial conditions being suitable for star formation are 10 to the 1021 power. If they were any higher than what they are, the universe expands too fast, so no stars or planets are formed, and if they were any lower, then the universe collapses in on itself.

The odds of a DNA strand forming purely by chance are astronomically low. Scientists have estimated that the probability of life arising randomly is 1 in 10 to the 40,000 power a number so vast that it’s practically inconceivable.

The odds of molecules forming by chance alone are incredibly small. Estimates suggest that the probability of even the simplest cell forming randomly is 1 in 10 to the 650 power, which is essentially zero.

The odds of chemical processes coming into existence purely by chance are incredibly low, especially when considering the complexity of life. Some scientists have estimated that the probability of life forming randomly by chemical processes is 1 in 10 to the 40,000 power. This number is considered staggeringly small and essentially impossible under random conditions alone.

The odds against assembling the human genome spontaneously are incalculable. The probability of assembling the genome is between 4 to the 180 power, and 4 to the 110,000 power.
What amazes me is that, even with these staggering odds, science continues to promote evolution, AMAZING!!!!
Presenting this information to an unbeliever would be my first approach to prove there is a God. What’s yours?

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I think it depends on who you are talking to. There is evidence and reasoning that includes science, morality, philosophy, history, personal experience, etc. and different people have obstacles to believing God exists in all those different areas.

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placebofactor wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 12:51 pm How would you prove God exists?
All natural forces seems to lead to degeneration and entropy and so are against all complexity. That is why, to get what we now have, there must be some force that went against the destructive forces of nature. In my opinion life and the complexity of the nature, against all the forces of nature, is a proof for God.
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placebofactor wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 12:51 pm The number of people who reject the idea of God varies in different parts of the world. In the U.S., it was found that only 40% of Americans now believe in the God of the Bible, 59% believe in Jesus Christ, and 29% believe in the Holy Spirit. So, how would you prove God exists to doubters?

My first approach would be based on scientific odds. Let’s look at the Mathematical probabilities of the Universe, D.N.A., and molecules having come about by chance based on the various factors that influenced their creation:

Stephen Hawking wrote, If the rate of the universe's expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in 10 to fifth power, the universe would have re-collapsed. The odds against the initial conditions being suitable for star formation are 10 to the 1021 power. If they were any higher than what they are, the universe expands too fast, so no stars or planets are formed, and if they were any lower, then the universe collapses in on itself.

The odds of a DNA strand forming purely by chance are astronomically low. Scientists have estimated that the probability of life arising randomly is 1 in 10 to the 40,000 power a number so vast that it’s practically inconceivable.

The odds of molecules forming by chance alone are incredibly small. Estimates suggest that the probability of even the simplest cell forming randomly is 1 in 10 to the 650 power, which is essentially zero.

The odds of chemical processes coming into existence purely by chance are incredibly low, especially when considering the complexity of life. Some scientists have estimated that the probability of life forming randomly by chemical processes is 1 in 10 to the 40,000 power. This number is considered staggeringly small and essentially impossible under random conditions alone.

The odds against assembling the human genome spontaneously are incalculable. The probability of assembling the genome is between 4 to the 180 power, and 4 to the 110,000 power.
What amazes me is that, even with these staggering odds, science continues to promote evolution, AMAZING!!!!
Presenting this information to an unbeliever would be my first approach to prove there is a God. What’s yours?
I believe prophecy is a way to show people that God exists. To see into the future and to give specific details of events yet to come is what drew me to study the Scriptures. The Old Testament, 700 years before, told of a coming Messiah, of his birth, death, and resurrection. King Cyrus was prophesied by 100 years before his birth. The 10 tribes were warned of a coming invasion by the Assyrians. Jesus warned Israel of their destruction, we were given hints of satellite technology when the story of the two Witnesses' death is told. "Revelation 11:9, "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations SHALL SEE their dead bodies three days and a half," Only possible with satellite technology.

Also, Isaiah wrote 2000 years before Columbus sailed. When he sailed, the earth was thought to be flat, but the Lord said in Isaiah 40:22, "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, --- and stretches out the heavens as a curtain,"

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All one has to do is look at the Creation with all its complexity and order. It couldn't have just happened with no thought, no guidance, no design.

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead [godship] so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:20, KJV)

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." (Psalm 14:1, KJV)

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onewithhim wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 7:06 pm [Replying to placebofactor in post #4]

All one has to do is look at the Creation with all its complexity and order. It couldn't have just happened with no thought, no guidance, no design.

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead [godship] so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:20, KJV)

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." (Psalm 14:1, KJV)
These are wonderful words to Christians, but meaningless to atheists. Here's something I will tell an Atheist. First, I love to study the Bible; it has so much to offer and has helped me cope with certain matters. It will give you a great deal to think about, and it will make you examine the things you are doing and how you handle life. Now, if there is no God, I have lost nothing, and both you and I will find ourselves in the same place, a coffin, six feet under the ground. BUT, if I am right, and there is a God, you lose everything in this life and the life to come. Your destination will be in a very warm climate, and it won't be Hawaii or Florida.

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