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Re: The Resurrection
Posted: 09/01/2006 07:18 PM
|Jesus didn't really rise from the dead. What really happened was _____.|
You missed the last part of my writings. Let me quote myself . . .
Actually I am even wrong to a degree. The ancient Greek litterally says,
"This registraition first occured during the governing syria Cyrenius."
This is the litteral translation from Green interliner bible with Strongs.
As you can see, it says he was governing, not the governer. While this could be (don't get ahead of me) splitting hairs, it could also be very important. An analogy :
While Bush (Gov) is in fact president of the US, it is Donald Rumsfield (quin) who makes most of the decisions about Iraq. Quite often when orders come down, they have Rumsfield's name, not the presidents. Rumsfield is acting as a deputy to the president and so he retains the President's power to command the forces on the field. But the media usually claims Bush made all the decisions which would be impossible and is also not true since Rumsfield's decisions are not always agreed with by the Pres and are therefore altered.
The troops point to Rumsfield in thier chain of command before the President (on the way up). So even though the President is in fact commander in chief, he does not necessarily make all the decisions personally. In fact he makes very few, but is given credit for most of them.
Now what if Bush was brand spanking new and had almost zero experience in Judah but Rumsfield had been there for over a decade?. Who would be put in charge of a census? He isn't the ruler, but he can do this especailly if asked to by the Pres.
So it does matter. Especially since I am not stuck on the word "governing".
|So we have two sources that are independant of each other that confirm that Quinarsis became govenor in Syria in 6 c.e.|
|What if we are all looking at the wrong person?|
|But my question for the entire forum is Which Eclipse?|
|I am simply giving evidence which explains away Carrier's arguement.|
|The first CENSUS.|
Yes, it says 'when quintariss first became govenor of syria'
The first CENSUS.
|Some think the revolt in Galilee by Judas in 6 CE was the beginning of the Zealots.|
This may also be the root of Jesusí James and Simon in Act might be the same in Josephus. Given the zealot nature of some of Jesusí disciples and the cover up after the war you wonder what is really going on. I mean we are doing a lot of speculating here in defense of a perfect bible and perfectly transmitted traditions. Judas may have actually been used for the Judas of the Gospels. Judasí two sons might have been the two zealots killed with Jesus in story form.
And do you have any historical source that shows this was not 6 ce?
No speculation, but an actual source? JOshepus and Cassious Dio say that was 6 c.e.
|Not at this time(I'm still researching this very interesting logical thing). But, at the same time. there is no actual source that 100% shows this first census was in 6. One thing we can draw from Luke is, there is more than one Census(If you specify a first census, logic dictates there is a 2nd)... And quintariss was prominant during the time of Herod.|
|The concept that Judas' two sons were the two zealots killed with Jesus is pure speculation.|
|'Paul' wrote the LIE "that Christ (first)appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve" (1 Cor. 15:5). |
The Word of God as recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John emphasise that Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah "FIRST" appeared to "THE WOMEN" (Matthew 28:9. Mark 16:9. Luke 24:10. John 20:14,15)
It is not therefore surprising that 'Paul' and his Christian ministers despise and hate women and treat them as second class citizens
'Paul' wrote the LIE "After that he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time" ( 1 Cor. 15:6)
The apostle Peter testifies that "the number of names ALTOGETHER were about a hundred and twenty disciples" (Acts 1:15
'Paul' wrote the LIE "and last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared to me also" (1 Cor. 15:8)
Luke together with 'Paul's' own testimony confirms that 'Paul' DID NOT SEE THE RISEN YESHUA (JESUS) but "SAW A DISEMBODIED LIGHT" (Acts 9:3. 22:9)