Homosexual "marriages"

[Carico]

Since most of the world has no clue why God created a man and a woman, it sadly has to be explained to them.

Aside from the obvious design of a man and a woman whose sexual attraction leads to children, the marriage covenant between a man and a woman is a copy of our union and relationship with God in our covenant with Him. All over the bible, God refers to adultery as unfaithfulness to our covenant with Him by turning away from Him and worshiping other gods or created things as well as infidelity between a man and a woman that breaks their marriage covenant. The sexual union between a man and a woman is also a copy of God's Spirit inside the true believer as Ephesians 5:31 and 1 Corinthians 6:16 explain.

God also describes Judah and Jerusalem as women in Ezekiel 16 because God's chosen are the "bride" of Christ. So a bride is clearly a woman in God's design.

That is why God values the sexual relationship between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage so highly because it directly correlates to our relationship with Him in our covenant with Him. So homosexuality isn't just a sexual preference. It is a deliberate rejection of God's design and a slap in the face to His creation. So it's a rebellious action with the intent purpose of being contemptuous of God and His creation. And that is why God considers homosexuality an abomination to Him and His beautiful design for creation.

So no one is doing homosexuals any favors by encouraging them to insult God which leads them straight on the path to hell. It's bad enough when the secular world has such little regard for homosexuals, but when people who claim to be Christians try to justify their rebellious and sinful actions, they are doing the greatest dis-service to homosexuals, as well as showing contempt for God and His design for His creation.

[Wyvern]

Since most of the world has no clue why God created a man and a woman, it sadly has to be explained to them.

Aside from the obvious design of a man and a woman whose sexual attraction leads to children, the marriage covenant between a man and a woman is a copy of our union and relationship with God in our covenant with Him. All over the bible, God refers to adultery as unfaithfulness to our covenant with Him by turning away from Him and worshiping other gods or created things as well as infidelity between a man and a woman that breaks their marriage covenant. The sexual union between a man and a woman is also a copy of God's Spirit inside the true believer as Ephesians 5:31 and 1 Corinthians 6:16 explain.

God also describes Judah and Jerusalem as women in Ezekiel 16 because God's chosen are the "bride" of Christ. So a bride is clearly a woman in God's design.

That is why God values the sexual relationship between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage so highly because it directly correlates to our relationship with Him in our covenant with Him. So homosexuality isn't just a sexual preference. It is a deliberate rejection of God's design and a slap in the face to His creation. So it's a rebellious action with the intent purpose of being contemptuous of God and His creation. And that is why God considers homosexuality an abomination to Him and His beautiful design for creation.

So no one is doing homosexuals any favors by encouraging them to insult God which leads them straight on the path to hell. It's bad enough when the secular world has such little regard for homosexuals, but when people who claim to be Christians try to justify their rebellious and sinful actions, they are doing the greatest dis-service to homosexuals, as well as showing contempt for God and His design for His creation.

If marriage was a purely religious concept you would have good reason for holding this position. However it is not is also a legally binding contract within the law of each individual country where such laws exist. Like it or not we are in a secular country and as such marriage can not be defined in the purely religious manner that you wish.
Your entire argument is irrelevant because as you know the bible states that homosexuality is an abomination to god and all practitioners are already going to hell. Hell is for eternity and the punishment is the same regardless if you are merely a thief or a mass murderer so what difference does it make if they further insult god? Is god going to send them to double secret hell?

[Carico]

Since most of the world has no clue why God created a man and a woman, it sadly has to be explained to them.

Aside from the obvious design of a man and a woman whose sexual attraction leads to children, the marriage covenant between a man and a woman is a copy of our union and relationship with God in our covenant with Him. All over the bible, God refers to adultery as unfaithfulness to our covenant with Him by turning away from Him and worshiping other gods or created things as well as infidelity between a man and a woman that breaks their marriage covenant. The sexual union between a man and a woman is also a copy of God's Spirit inside the true believer as Ephesians 5:31 and 1 Corinthians 6:16 explain.

God also describes Judah and Jerusalem as women in Ezekiel 16 because God's chosen are the "bride" of Christ. So a bride is clearly a woman in God's design.

That is why God values the sexual relationship between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage so highly because it directly correlates to our relationship with Him in our covenant with Him. So homosexuality isn't just a sexual preference. It is a deliberate rejection of God's design and a slap in the face to His creation. So it's a rebellious action with the intent purpose of being contemptuous of God and His creation. And that is why God considers homosexuality an abomination to Him and His beautiful design for creation.

So no one is doing homosexuals any favors by encouraging them to insult God which leads them straight on the path to hell. It's bad enough when the secular world has such little regard for homosexuals, but when people who claim to be Christians try to justify their rebellious and sinful actions, they are doing the greatest dis-service to homosexuals, as well as showing contempt for God and His design for His creation.

If marriage was a purely religious concept you would have good reason for holding this position. However it is not is also a legally binding contract within the law of each individual country where such laws exist. Like it or not we are in a secular country and as such marriage can not be defined in the purely religious manner that you wish.
Your entire argument is irrelevant because as you know the bible states that homosexuality is an abomination to god and all practitioners are already going to hell. Hell is for eternity and the punishment is the same regardless if you are merely a thief or a mass murderer so what difference does it make if they further insult god? Is god going to send them to double secret hell?

Wrong. God created mankind and He made the laws that mankind is supposed to follow. If we do not, we are subject to eternal judgment...all of us, unless we accept His free pardon.

So I'm tired of hearing human beings declaring what is and what is not a sin...as if mankind is qualified to make that decision.

I'm also tired of man claiming to speak for God when he has to change God's word to do so...especially in movies in the cinema produced by homosexuals who disobey God that claim the bible endorses homosexuality. This it further contempt for God and mankind needs to know that God will not be mocked. He's not the fool that everyone makes Him out to be. So the world absolutely needs to hear more messages like my OP to know that the world isn't fooling God and God will not take this lightly on judgment day whether they know that or not.

[Goat]

Wrong. God created mankind and He made the laws that mankind is supposed to follow. If we do not, we are subject to eternal judgment...all of us, unless we accept His free pardon.

So I'm tired of hearing human beings declaring what and what is not a sin...as if mankind is qualified to make that decision.

I'm also tired of man claiming to speak for God when he has to change God's word to do so...especially in movies in the cinema produced by homosexuals who disobey God that claim the bible endorses homosexuality. This it further contempt for God and mankind needs to know that God will not be mocked. He's not the fool that everyone makes Him out to be. So the world absolutely needs to hear more messages like my OP to know that the world isn't fooling God and God will not take this lightly on judgment day whether they know that or not.

This is a debate forum. As such, I would like you to provide evidence for the followign claims you made.

1) The bible is God's word.
2) That God said homosexuality was 'wrong'.
3) That 'sin' is anything more than a human concept, based on a book written by man.
4) That marriage is more than a human concept, made by people for people.

[Carico]

Wrong. God created mankind and He made the laws that mankind is supposed to follow. If we do not, we are subject to eternal judgment...all of us, unless we accept His free pardon.

So I'm tired of hearing human beings declaring what and what is not a sin...as if mankind is qualified to make that decision.

I'm also tired of man claiming to speak for God when he has to change God's word to do so...especially in movies in the cinema produced by homosexuals who disobey God that claim the bible endorses homosexuality. This it further contempt for God and mankind needs to know that God will not be mocked. He's not the fool that everyone makes Him out to be. So the world absolutely needs to hear more messages like my OP to know that the world isn't fooling God and God will not take this lightly on judgment day whether they know that or not.

This is a debate forum. As such, I would like you to provide evidence for the followign claims you made.

1) The bible is God's word.
2) That God said homosexuality was 'wrong'.
3) That 'sin' is anything more than a human concept, based on a book written by man.
4) That marriage is more than a human concept, made by people for people.

Why? Reality proves the bible true but you'll just deny reality anyway. You'll deny that the sun gives light by day, the moon and stars give light by night and mark the months, seasons and years, that each animal breeds its own kind, not a different species superior to itself, that the flesh and bones of animals decay back into dust when they die, proving they were composed of dust, that man and women were designed to mate and breed children.

You'll deny the history of the Jews and make up your own, including an an imaginary history of what happened in Jerusalem during the time of Christ, you'll deny the global flood even though over 200 accounts of ancient people have passed along the same account, you'll deny that the people in the bible were real which can be verified by the history of the countries with whom they interact, in facr, you'll simply deny reality and make up one of your own.

So there's no point in trying to prove the bible is true since people will go to such irrational an illogical lengths to deny it. No other book is as consistent and deep as the bible is from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation which shows that no human could have written the bible. So it can only be considered, remarkable and miraculous. But one first has to understand the bible to know that. That's why Jesus said in Luk3 16:31, "If they did not believe Moses and the Prophets, then neither will they believe someone who as risen from the dead."

That blatant denial of reality has led to the following: Romans 1:18-20 says, "For the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them since God made it plain to them. for since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood by what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

So since the arguments of ignorance of God's existence from the secular world aren't even good, then you're without excuse for denying the existence of God. You will thus be held accountable on judgment day because you're not fooling those who know and love God and you're certainly not fooling God!

[McCulloch]

So I'm tired of hearing human beings declaring what is and what is not a sin...as if mankind is qualified to make that decision.

And I am tired of hearing humans declaring that they can speak for God. Where do you get off claiming that you know what God wants? I find the attitude that you know what God wants contemptible and arrogant.

[Goat]

Why? Reality proves the bible true but you'll just deny reality anyway. You'll deny that the sun gives light by day, the moon and stars give light by night and mark the months, seasons and years, that each animal breeds its own kind, not a different species superior to itself, that the flesh and bones of animals decay back into dust when they die, proving they were composed of dust, that man and women were designed to mate and breed children.

More unsupported claims.

Show me the 'reality' that proves the bible true. I find the excuse 'You'll just deny realty anyway' an excuse to avoid giving evidence.

No, I don't deny the sun gives light by day .. and stars can be seen at night. Months/seasons and years are man made concept that describe the rythem of how the weather changes over time due to natural causes.. and is much older than any bible.

Now, 'women and men designed'.. what is your evidence of that? More unsupported claims and straw men attacks.

You'll deny the history of the Jews and make up your own, including an an imaginary history of what happened in Jerusalem during the time of Christ, you'll deny the global flood even though over 200 accounts of ancient people have passed along the same account, you'll deny that the people in the bible were real which can be verified by the history of the countries with whom they interact, in facr, you'll simply deny reality and make up one of your own.

Perhaps it is YOU that is distorting the history of the Jews. The distractions are irrelevent. This is known as the logical fallacy of a 'Red Herring'.

So there's no point in trying to prove the bible is true since people will go to such irrational an illogical lengths to deny it. No other book is as consistent and deep as the bible is from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation which shows that no human could have written the bible. So it can only be considered, remarkable and miraculous. But one first has to understand the bible to know that. That's why Jesus said in Luk3 16:31, "If they did not believe Moses and the Prophets, then neither will they believe someone who as risen from the dead."

The rules in this forum is that evidence has to be made for claims. If you can't follow the rules, perhaps this is not the subforum for you. Perhaps you would be happier in the 'holy huddle'.

That blatant denial of reality has led to the following: Romans 1:18-20 says, "For the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them since God made it plain to them. for since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood by what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

Have you ever heard of circular evidence? This claim is meaningless as evidence.

So since the arguments of ignorance of God's existence from the secular world aren't even good, then you're without excuse for denying the existence of God. You will thus be held accountable on judgment day because you're not fooling those who know and love God and you're certainly not fooling God!

And, if there is this 'god', you speak for him/her,/it?

I see a lot of venting, rhetoric and logical fallacies, but no evidence.

[kayky]

Since most of the world has no clue why God created a man and a woman, it sadly has to be explained to them.

Finally. Someone is going to explain where babies come from!

Aside from the obvious design of a man and a woman whose sexual attraction leads to children, the marriage covenant between a man and a woman is a copy of our union and relationship with God in our covenant with Him. All over the bible, God refers to adultery as unfaithfulness to our covenant with Him by turning away from Him and worshiping other gods or created things as well as infidelity between a man and a woman that breaks their marriage covenant. The sexual union between a man and a woman is also a copy of God's Spirit inside the true believer as Ephesians 5:31 and 1 Corinthians 6:16 explain.

What does adultery have to do with gay marriage?

God also describes Judah and Jerusalem as women in Ezekiel 16 because God's chosen are the "bride" of Christ. So a bride is clearly a woman in God's design.

That doesn't mean you can't have two brides. Or two grooms.

That is why God values the sexual relationship between a man and a woman in the covenant of marriage so highly because it directly correlates to our relationship with Him in our covenant with Him. So homosexuality isn't just a sexual preference. It is a deliberate rejection of God's design and a slap in the face to His creation. So it's a rebellious action with the intent purpose of being contemptuous of God and His creation. And that is why God considers homosexuality an abomination to Him and His beautiful design for creation.

If God doesn't like homosexuality, why did he create homosexuals?

So no one is doing homosexuals any favors by encouraging them to insult God which leads them straight on the path to hell. It's bad enough when the secular world has such little regard for homosexuals, but when people who claim to be Christians try to justify their rebellious and sinful actions, they are doing the greatest dis-service to homosexuals, as well as showing contempt for God and His design for His creation.

Actually I think it is the most loving thing that Christians can do for homosexuals. Not just because it recognizes them as human beings with the same rights as all other human beings. But also because it encourages monogamy in homosexual relationships, lessening the occurence of disease and leading to more stable and satisfying lives.

[Carico]

Show me the 'reality' that proves the bible true. I find the excuse 'You'll just deny realty anyway' an excuse to avoid giving evidence.

I just did. And all you did was prove me right that you would deny reality without providing evidence to support your claims.

So one cannot prove that the world is round to a blind man, but that doesn't at all mean that it can't be proven that the world is round.

So if you really want proof of God's existence, then go out into the real world and observe even one human being who came from a seed so small (DNA) that it can't be seen by the naked eye, yet contains all the genetic programming for billions of neurons and cells that have to act in a certain way for the human being to even function.

So sorry, but you're without excuse for denying the existence of God and making up ridiculous stories of your imagination about God's creation. People who come up with those ridiculous stories to deny God only make them look foolish in thinking they know better than God does what the truth is.

[kayky]

Wrong. God created mankind and He made the laws that mankind is supposed to follow. If we do not, we are subject to eternal judgment...all of us, unless we accept His free pardon.

So I'm tired of hearing human beings declaring what is and what is not a sin...as if mankind is qualified to make that decision.

I'm also tired of man claiming to speak for God when he has to change God's word to do so...especially in movies in the cinema produced by homosexuals who disobey God that claim the bible endorses homosexuality. This it further contempt for God and mankind needs to know that God will not be mocked. He's not the fool that everyone makes Him out to be. So the world absolutely needs to hear more messages like my OP to know that the world isn't fooling God and God will not take this lightly on judgment day whether they know that or not.

The irony of this, Carico, is that you are here claiming to speak for God. And you base it all on a book written by human beings.