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Furrowed Brow wrote:Doctors want right to talk faith

Should they get it?
The key point is 'as they handle the issue sensitively.' When my father was being treated for emphysema, one doctor asked him if he found Jesus. Being that my father was Jewish, and it was on his chart, it was very intrusive.

My father never when back to that particular doctor.
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I think it is probably out of a fear of that kind of pushiness that meant there was a ban.

There is also othe thought that people in hospital are often vunerable, and on regular occasion facing the end of their life. It is distasteful and predatory (on one view) to be touting religion to such folk.

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Furrowed Brow wrote:I think it is probably out of a fear of that kind of pushiness that meant there was a ban.

There is also othe thought that people in hospital are often vunerable, and on regular occasion facing the end of their life. It is distasteful and predatory (on one view) to be touting religion to such folk.
On the other hand, it gives some people comfort.

I think it is ok.. .. IF the patient brings up the subject first.
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:confused2: I'm sort of baffled here. Its not the doctors job to worry about spiritual needs... well its sorta where do you draw the line on that isn't it?

Say a man or woman had an accident and lost the use of one of their limbs. Now the doctor comes in and tells them there is a surgury that can restore use of the limb, for the most part, but its very costly. The woman/man's insurance won't cover enough of the cost, so they can't afford the surgury. Now the doctor knows of a way that the surgury can be done for her due to some legal law however instead of telling her he says "Worrying about your financial needs isn't my job sorry," and walks out.

Now of course this is a dramaticization that would never happen. The point I'm trying to make is that a good doctor is one that worries about his patient not as a slab of meat but a human being. And as such they'll be concerned with other needs other then their physical ones. Should they be denied the right to offer comfort? No. Should they respect the wishes of their patients if they say "No thank you I'd rather not hear that" of course.

Just my two cents >.>

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As long as the patient doesn't have a problem with it, but the patient's wishes must be respected. If the doctor praying for them gives them comfort, then there is nothing wrong with that.

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It is the physician's job to provide the most suitable proven treatments for whatever ails his patients. Prayer is not part of a proven treatment program for any identified disease. I would have the same problem if a certified investment adviser consulted astrological charts or if a lawyer who is being paid to represent me used necromancy in preparing a defense.

If a patient wants alternative treatments, then the patient should seek practitioners of such treatments.
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Religion is for church.

If I want a sermon, I'll talk to a preacher. If I want medical treatment, I'll talk to a doctor. If I want to talk to a doctor about religion, I'll meet a doctor at church.

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McCulloch wrote:It is the physician's job to provide the most suitable proven treatments for whatever ails his patients. Prayer is not part of a proven treatment program for any identified disease. I would have the same problem if a certified investment adviser consulted astrological charts or if a lawyer who is being paid to represent me used necromancy in preparing a defense.
This is hardly the same thing. These doctors aren't saying we'll pray for you, but if it doesn't work you're screwed. They're providing the same treatment, but offering the patient a prayer or a kind word (like God is always with you) to comfort them.

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I made a mistake, see next post.
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