http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1425257
For those unfamiliar with the miracle. here is the synopsis
A young lady was trapped in a car accident and as rescue workers struggled to free her a priest or angel came to her prayed used anointing oil and said "your tools will work now" then he vanished and she was freed shortly after.
highly cited because of all the eyewitnesses. many thought this was proof of miracles and angels. Only one problem its a fish story. yes there was an accident yes rescue workers rescued a girl yes a priest came to the scene but there was no miracle just rescue workers doing their job saving lives.
Which begs the question are we willfully ignorant? no doubt this story will still circulate the pulpits and web as a miracle when further evidence suggests against that assertion.
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Re: Missouri Miracle
Post #2What further evidence? Yes, the equipment did not work, then it did. A person appeared on the scene and in the confusion disappeared. Is it proof positive that there is a deity. No. Is there any reason to ridicule those who believe in a deity, should they give their deity the credit. No.DanieltheDragon wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1425257
For those unfamiliar with the miracle. here is the synopsis
A young lady was trapped in a car accident and as rescue workers struggled to free her a priest or angel came to her prayed used anointing oil and said "your tools will work now" then he vanished and she was freed shortly after.
highly cited because of all the eyewitnesses. many thought this was proof of miracles and angels. Only one problem its a fish story. yes there was an accident yes rescue workers rescued a girl yes a priest came to the scene but there was no miracle just rescue workers doing their job saving lives.
Which begs the question are we willfully ignorant? no doubt this story will still circulate the pulpits and web as a miracle when further evidence suggests against that assertion.
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Re: Missouri Miracle
Post #3[Replying to post 2 by bluethread]
by further evidence I meant it was a miraculous event with angels involved then the priest came forward and it ceased to be miraculous. the tools were not failing the blades were dulling from cutting high strength steel so no mystery there either.
regardless of theology this is a perfect case of willfully ignoring evidence to support personal beliefs
by further evidence I meant it was a miraculous event with angels involved then the priest came forward and it ceased to be miraculous. the tools were not failing the blades were dulling from cutting high strength steel so no mystery there either.
regardless of theology this is a perfect case of willfully ignoring evidence to support personal beliefs
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Post #4Or, a perfect case of willfully searching for any and all details in an attempt to disparage another's personal beliefs. Even Morris, the priest on fox news, was reluctant to say there was no natural explanation. However, we all see things through our own viewpoint, so there is no reason get in a dust up over it.DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 2 by bluethread]
by further evidence I meant it was a miraculous event with angels involved then the priest came forward and it ceased to be miraculous. the tools were not failing the blades were dulling from cutting high strength steel so no mystery there either.
regardless of theology this is a perfect case of willfully ignoring evidence to support personal beliefs
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What would be a real miracle is if the woman had been teleported out of the car unharmed. Why all the silly annointing the head with oil rubbish?
That's the thing with so many so called miracles. The whole word "Miracle" has been dumbed down dramatically.
The bible set the standard for miracles with a man being resurrected from the dead. If that really happened then we have a true bonafide miracle, so we should expect to see nothing less in this day and age especially when Jesus promised that his followers would do greater works than him.
I wrote this about miracles some time ago, about how the term miracles is on par with the term "Giving 110%" and how Christians have dumbed down what a miracle is:
Miracles and Giving 110%
I also like this list which shows a list of so called miracles, gives a possible cause rather than miracle and then describes what would have really made it a legitimate miracle.
That's the thing with so many so called miracles. The whole word "Miracle" has been dumbed down dramatically.
The bible set the standard for miracles with a man being resurrected from the dead. If that really happened then we have a true bonafide miracle, so we should expect to see nothing less in this day and age especially when Jesus promised that his followers would do greater works than him.
I wrote this about miracles some time ago, about how the term miracles is on par with the term "Giving 110%" and how Christians have dumbed down what a miracle is:
Miracles and Giving 110%
I also like this list which shows a list of so called miracles, gives a possible cause rather than miracle and then describes what would have really made it a legitimate miracle.
Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.
Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.
There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.
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Re: Missouri Miracle
Post #7That is similar to the story in which a woman had been trapped beneath the rubble of a building in which hundreds died. After being pulled from the rubble, she exclaims that Jesus saved her, as the hundreds of dead are pulled from the surrounding rubble.DanieltheDragon wrote:
Which begs the question are we willfully ignorant? no doubt this story will still circulate the pulpits and web as a miracle when further evidence suggests against that assertion.
Re: Missouri Miracle
Post #8True or not, I've heard of many similar stories. In addition, I've heard of many, many stories where a "miracle" would have been a great thing, but alas, nothing happened.DanieltheDragon wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1425257
For those unfamiliar with the miracle. here is the synopsis
A young lady was trapped in a car accident and as rescue workers struggled to free her a priest or angel came to her prayed used anointing oil and said "your tools will work now" then he vanished and she was freed shortly after.
highly cited because of all the eyewitnesses. many thought this was proof of miracles and angels. Only one problem its a fish story. yes there was an accident yes rescue workers rescued a girl yes a priest came to the scene but there was no miracle just rescue workers doing their job saving lives.
Which begs the question are we willfully ignorant? no doubt this story will still circulate the pulpits and web as a miracle when further evidence suggests against that assertion.
In order for one to claim something to be a miracle (god's work in a situation) they must also say that when a situation happens, and there is no miracle, god (for some reason) didn't intervene. Neither prove any deity's existence or lack of.
Most likely, these stories are nothing more and people attributing random actions of life to god when it benefits their belief/hope, and ignoring everything else.
People tend to want there to be "something greater than me" in life. Some call it a god, some call it God, some call it fate, some call it peanuts.