WARNING: DO NOT BUY/USE E15 GAS

Choir Loft · Post by **Choir Loft** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:38 pm

AAA along with other consumer outlets has issued extreme warnings AGAINST using E15 gas.

This stuff will damage your fuel lines and engine so badly as to render the vehicle unusable. Most major manufacturers have issued statements that their warranties will not cover such damage.

Do not buy or use E15 gas.

Google it.

Another fine example of our government at work to screw us all..

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:26 pm

How will you know?

I just pull in to my regular gas stations and fill up with 87 octane. I never saw anything about any E ratings.

Is this something new? Will it be clearly marked?

I have no intention of changing from what has already been working fine for years.

Nickman · Post by **Nickman** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:22 pm

E15 stands for the percentage of ethanol in the gas. E15 is 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline. This gasoline ratio is not harmful to vehicles. Anything higher can cause knocking and detonation. These will quickly destroy your engine. Every pump will have a disclaimer on it saying "this gasoline contains no more than 15% ethanol." This is when you know you are pumping E15. As long as the gasoline pump is stamped with ASTM standard D4814, you will be fine.

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:08 pm

Nickman wrote: E15 stands for the percentage of ethanol in the gas. E15 is 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline. This gasoline ratio is not harmful to vehicles. Anything higher can cause knocking and detonation. These will quickly destroy your engine. Every pump will have a disclaimer on it saying "this gasoline contains no more than 15% ethanol." This is when you know you are pumping E15. As long as the gasoline pump is stamped with ASTM standard D4814, you will be fine.

I'll have to start looking at the fine print. Typically I just swipe my debit card, press the 87 octane button and pump away. I never bother reading anything else. But now I'm going to start paying more attention!

I have old junkers. One is a 1995 Intrepid, and the other is a 1998 Escort. Those are my babies. And I have had them for both for quite a long time. I'd hate to see them ruined prematurely because of bad gas. I do all the work on them myself and I can probably keep them both running for another decade or two. As long as they don't rust out I'll keep em running! I totally baby them.

Plus I don't drive much anyway.

DanieltheDragon · Post by **DanieltheDragon** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:29 pm

The sky is falling the sky is falling said chicken little.

While E15 can clog some older engines and generally contribute to wear and tear over time on older engines most newer model cars 2010MY or newer are actually e85 compliant my 2012 ford focus is a flex fuel car E85 compliant so no the government is not screwing us. Merely allowing gas retailers to take advantage of newer engine technology. They don't have to sell E15 they are allowed to. If you have an older vehicle check the pumps they generally have a sticker that shows what percentage of ethanol is in their fuel.

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:09 am

DanieltheDragon wrote: newer model cars 2010MY or newer are actually e85 compliant my 2012 ford focus is a flex fuel car E85 compliant so no the government is not screwing us. Merely allowing gas retailers to take advantage of newer engine technology.

I agree. New technologies are designed for this stuff. You just need to make sure you have the right fuel in the right vehicle.

I imagine that when they actually come out with this stuff it will be well-marked, and maybe even have it's own pumps? I haven't seen any around yet.

I also imagine that many of those "hybrid" cars that run on both gas and a rechargeable battery will tolerate this new kind of fuel too.

Of course, the automotive companies would love for everyone to burn out their old cars quickly so they need to by the new technology. So I guess we do need to be aware of putting E15 gas into older cars by accident if it's not well marked.

It seems to me that it should be marked really obvious. You shouldn't need to look around for fine print to find out what kind of gas you are buying.

I just Googled an image for it. It looks like it's going to be very well marked. I haven't even seen any pumps around my area that even look like this.

It appears that you will easily know when you are buying it.

I hope they don't phase out 87 octane before my old cars die. I might be driving these things for the next 20 or 30 years, assuming I live that long

DanieltheDragon · Post by **DanieltheDragon** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:53 am

I would also like to add that as a conservative this should be welcome loosening of gas regulations. In a free market I should be able to use my purchasing power to take advantage of technology I have purchased I for one certainly don't want the government regulating gas stations to limit the amount of Ethanol they put in their fuel. I will say so long as they are making their fuel mixtures easily identifiable. This is a good example of de-regulation benefiting the consumer. Now I am not sure if choir-loft is a conservative or not so he might not care as passionately as me on these matters, but from reading his other posts I got a feeling he was anti-regulation.

Nickman · Post by **Nickman** » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:49 pm

Sometimes you will only see this sticker on the pump.

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:26 pm

Nickman wrote: Sometimes you will only see this sticker on the pump.

Thanks for the heads up.

I see too it says that it's prohibited by federal law to use this in cars prior to 2001.

I have two cars, 1998 Ford Escort (my go-cart),

A 1995 Dodge Intrepid (my limousine)

I also have a 1993 Buick Regal (my Rolls Royce). But I'm not currently driving that one.

So E-15 would be an illegal drug for my cars anyway.

Nickman · Post by **Nickman** » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:14 pm

The best thing to do is to research if your classics would be affected. E15 is not bad. Especially not like E85. 15% of ethanol (alcohol) is not much at all. Plus ethanol and gasoline have similar characteristics under the same temperatures that they are exposed to in an engine. They both have a low flash point and combustion point. There are many engines that run on straight alcohol.

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