Israel is NOT the Holy Land...

[SaulToPaul]

There is no Holy Land. When the vision of the sheet falling from the sky was given to Peter, all were invited to become partakers of the Kingdom of God. Israel is no longer the chosen people. Individual Jews that accept and exercise faith in Jesus Christ are accepted by Jehovah and are allowed to partake in the Kingdom of Heaven, but every single person on earth is allowed such participation, if only they repent and give themselves over as complete and total willing slaves of Jehovah God.

The Jews gave up the promise when they killed Jesus. That was the end of it. Jehovah never broke his promise. The Jews did.

[Divine Insight]

The Jews gave up the promise when they killed Jesus. That was the end of it. Jehovah never broke his promise. The Jews did.

The Jews didn't kill Jesus. Jesus' own disciples were Jews. So clearly you can't say that the Jews killed Jesus.

This religious mythology cannot be made to work. In fact, it died many times over in the Old Testament long before Christianity was ever invented.

The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden give away the Bible as clearly being nothing more than a very poorly-thought-out man made myth.

The Great Flood also gives away the Bible as being clearly false. It wouldn't even matter if this flood had actually occurred. It can't be justified theologically in any case. Never mind that science has shown that it never actually happened. And this is especially true for Christianity. The Great Flood is a grave contradiction to Christianity because Christianity holds that mankind can only be saved because of Jesus willing to sacrifice himself to pay for the sins of men who cannot resist sin. However, if that were true, then drowning out sinners before Jesus came would have been a totally meaningless and futile event.

The Canaanites also give the Bible away as clearly being a fraudulent mythology. The reason is crystal clear. The Canaanites were sacrificing their own babies to God. You can't have the Canaanites sacrificing their babies to any God if they had supposedly already refused to respect the authority of the only God that actually exist. This may not appear to be a Bible killer at first glance but it most certainly is because if there truly is only one God then you can't have the Canaanites sacrificing their babies to a God that doesn't even exist. The story of the Canaanites can only work in a polytheistic theology which probably was the case when the story was written.

So to even talk about Israel, the Jews, and the Biblical God is a total waste of time. You may as well be taking about the Greeks and Zeus. It's that meaningless.

The situation we have in Israel is a direct result of all this religious superstition. Think about it. The reason there is such conflict is precisely because the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all view Jerusalem as a major religious Holy site. And so their religious superstitions is the cause of all this calamity. This is the ultimate example of why religion superstitions are so extremely dangerous. They are the cause of great conflict in the world even today in the 21st century when these ancient superstitions should have long since died.

We as humans could be doing great things. But instead so many people are focused on hating each other over their imaginary jealous Gods. It's truly sad.

[SaulToPaul]

[Replying to post 2 by Divine Insight]

Actually, the Jews DID kill Jesus, just not ALL of the Jews. No other nation was involved in his death. And technically, the Jews that were Jesus' disciples were no longer Jews due to the fact that they did not follow Judaism. They followed Christ, unknowingly waiting for the day when the term Christian would be born.

But you did reinforce my opinion, albeit via a more indirect route, by supporting the fact that there is no Holy Land, and so, for that, I thank you. Whatever it takes to get the message out there.

[Kenisaw]

There is no Holy Land. When the vision of the sheet falling from the sky was given to Peter, all were invited to become partakers of the Kingdom of God. Israel is no longer the chosen people. Individual Jews that accept and exercise faith in Jesus Christ are accepted by Jehovah and are allowed to partake in the Kingdom of Heaven, but every single person on earth is allowed such participation, if only they repent and give themselves over as complete and total willing slaves of Jehovah God.

The Jews gave up the promise when they killed Jesus. That was the end of it. Jehovah never broke his promise. The Jews did.

I agree, in a way. There is no holy land because there is no "holy" in the universe.

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 2 by Divine Insight]

Actually, the Jews DID kill Jesus, just not ALL of the Jews.

So there you go. You can't use the fact that a few Jews killed Jesus to violate a covenant of an entire people with God.

In fact, these are precisely the kinds of claims that prove that the Bible is false.

The same thing is claimed about the Canaanites in the Bible. You just can't have an entire culture being blamed as though ever individual within the culture was guilty of rejecting God.

These types of religious myths are clearly false. There can be no doubt about it.

[Donray]

[Replying to post 3 by SaulToPaul]

Actually it was Romans that would have killed Jesus. The Jews did not nail him to a cross.

[amortalman]

There is no Holy Land. When the vision of the sheet falling from the sky was given to Peter, all were invited to become partakers of the Kingdom of God. Israel is no longer the chosen people. Individual Jews that accept and exercise faith in Jesus Christ are accepted by Jehovah and are allowed to partake in the Kingdom of Heaven, but every single person on earth is allowed such participation, if only they repent and give themselves over as complete and total willing slaves of Jehovah God.

The Jews gave up the promise when they killed Jesus. That was the end of it. Jehovah never broke his promise. The Jews did.

You're using too narrow a definition of the Holy Land.

According to the website seetheholyland.net:

"What made the land holy? According to biblical scholar and archaeologist Jerome Murphy-O’Connor, this occurred for the Jews when the Ark of the Covenant was carried into the Holy of Holies in the Temple at Jerusalem and “the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord� (1 Kings 8:10). From Egypt to Syria, it was also the place where the patriarchs and prophets lived and were buried.

For Christians, the Holy Land is where Jesus lived, proclaimed his Gospel, performed miracles, was crucified and rose from the dead. From early times, the followers of Jesus venerated places associated with him, foremost among them the cave at Bethlehem and the Holy Sepulchre.

For Muslims, veneration of Jerusalem as a holy place goes back to Muhammad, who prayed facing Jerusalem before he was inspired to turn toward Mecca. He called Jerusalem “the Holy City�. Muslims believe Muhammad visited the rock of the Temple Mount during his night journey on the winged steed al-Burak in 620.

Followers of another monotheistic religion, the Bahá’í faith, have their holiest site in Haifa, Israel. The golden-domed Shrine of the Bab is set on a hillside of terraced gardens."

[2ndRateMind]

[Replying to post 1 by SaulToPaul]

To the best of my knowledge, kind, moral, free, decent England is God's own country.

Best wishes, 2RM.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 1 by SaulToPaul]

To the best of my knowledge, kind, moral, free, decent England is God's own country.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Where in England would one find such a place? It also appears that people on thread are familiar with what the Scriptures mean when they use the word "holy". It simply means that it is set apart for a purpose.

[2ndRateMind]

[Replying to post 1 by SaulToPaul]

To the best of my knowledge, kind, moral, free, decent England is God's own country.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Where in England would one find such a place? It also appears that people on thread are familiar with what the Scriptures mean when they use the word "holy". It simply means that it is set apart for a purpose.

No one starves in England, or if they do, it is a matter of universal concern, and government failure. Is that purpose enough for you?

Best wishes, 2RM