Fighting climate change & end of oil colliding

[thomasdixon]

What so many people fail to realize is that there are two (2) dynamics going on here which on the surface seem unrelated which is our biggest mistake

World Oil Reserves
1,650,585,140,000 barrels
47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels)
World Oil Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

This means, at current consumption all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned in 47 years.
Which means that the world’s major energy source will not be able to meet demand in 20+/- years.

If the world acts now to gradually switch from oil to renewables the transition will a peaceful one. If we do not do this, a world global fight will occur to control what oil is left. This will lead to WW3 which in itself will burn up what is left.

The term Armageddon comes to mind.
used in a generic sense to refer to any end of the world scenario.
Armageddon - Wikipedia

This may not concern you because you will not be around then; but your grandchildren will !!

Fighting climate change and discovering new renewable energy sources are fighting to achieve the same thing. The survival of the human race.

[Miles]

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[thomasdixon]

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......... So what is it you wanted to debate?

Will the human race find alternative sustainable energy before the oil reserves dry up

What say you>?

[thomasdixon]

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......... So what is it you wanted to debate?.

I want to participate in a debate
I want to debate whether the human race will be able to find alternative energy sources before it is too late.
( ] yes
[ ] no

[Miles]

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......... So what is it you wanted to debate?

Will the human race find alternative sustainable energy before the oil reserves dry up

What say you>?

Don't know. I don't have enough information, and even if I did it's unlikely I could process it all---far too many factors.


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[thomasdixon]

Which country do you believe is ahead of all others in the energy future?

China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020
China intends to spend more than $360 billion through 2020 on renewable power sources like solar and wind, the government’s energy agency said on Thursday.

The country’s National Energy Administration laid out a plan to dominate one of the world’s fastest-growing industries

The agency said in a statement that China would create more than 13 million jobs in the renewable energy sector by 2020, curb the growth of greenhouse gasses that contribute to global warming and reduce the amount of soot that in recent days has blanketed Beijing and other Chinese cities in a noxious cloud of smog.

China surpassed the United States a decade ago as the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gasses, and now discharges about twice as much. For years, its oil and coal industries prospered under powerful political patrons and the growth-above-anything mantra of the ruling Communist Party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/worl ... tment.html

2017 China Electric Car Sales Blow World Out Of The Water — BAIC EC-Series Is A Superstar
The rise and rise of the Chinese plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) market is unstoppable, with yet another record performance in December. A total of 102,000 new passenger PEVs were registered last month, up 130% year over year. Yes, that was just December, and it pulled the year-to-date count to over 600,000 units, up 71% compared to 2016.

As consequence of this rapid growth, in December, the PEV share hit a record 3.3% market share of the entire Chinese auto market, while the entire 2017 PEV market share ended at 2.1%. That’s firmly ahead of last year’s score (1.5%) and above the USA (1.2%) and Europe (~1.9%).

The Chinese PEV market represented roughly half of the 1.2 million plug-ins sold worldwide in 2017, while Chinese carmakers made 47% of all PEVs sold last year.
https://tinyurl.com/ybe5rcb7

Our future at being the world’s great leader is coming to an end. Soon we, i.e. the us will fall into the category of a third world economy if we do not wake up soooon!

[Purple Knight]

Our future at being the world’s great leader is coming to an end. Soon we, i.e. the us will fall into the category of a third world economy if we do not wake up soooon!

That was bound to happen. A capitalist country can only do what the result of competition in industry demand that it does. If Corporation A can make more money by utilising unsustainability and pillaging resources than Company B can make by investing in alternative energy sources or utilising sustainability, resources will be pillaged until they're gone and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

However, electric vehicles don't exactly solve this problem since most of the electricity they're using is generated from unsustainable sources anyway.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #7]

However, electric vehicles don't exactly solve this problem since most of the electricity they're using is generated from unsustainable sources anyway.

I don't know why so many people don't understand this point. Beyond the 'where are we getting electricity from', there's also oil/petroleum in many more things we use daily. Not to mention the infrastructure needed to charge all these EVs. What about people who need a car but have to reliable place to charge it? Apartment complexes, homes with no garages and on and on.
People don't realize how many chargers that EV owners come to that are either out of order or don't have the necessary plug for their car.
Then we have the batteries themselves. What happens to them when the car's totaled in an accident? Or when the battery will no longer hold a charge? Or when newer ones make the older ones obsolete?
Until batteries are cheaper, can be charged as quick as a ICE car can be filled, and last longer than the 200-300 miles targeted now, they won't be viable for the vast majority of the population.
Granted, little steps tend to come first before bigger steps, and EVs are good in many ways, but they're not the 'be all end all' for our oil dependency and climate change.
EVs are a good step, but a small one that needs many more, larger, more impactful steps to help the problem.

[Purple Knight]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #7]

However, electric vehicles don't exactly solve this problem since most of the electricity they're using is generated from unsustainable sources anyway.

I don't know why so many people don't understand this point. Beyond the 'where are we getting electricity from', there's also oil/petroleum in many more things we use daily. Not to mention the infrastructure needed to charge all these EVs. What about people who need a car but have to reliable place to charge it? Apartment complexes, homes with no garages and on and on.
People don't realize how many chargers that EV owners come to that are either out of order or don't have the necessary plug for their car.
Then we have the batteries themselves. What happens to them when the car's totaled in an accident? Or when the battery will no longer hold a charge? Or when newer ones make the older ones obsolete?
Until batteries are cheaper, can be charged as quick as a ICE car can be filled, and last longer than the 200-300 miles targeted now, they won't be viable for the vast majority of the population.
Granted, little steps tend to come first before bigger steps, and EVs are good in many ways, but they're not the 'be all end all' for our oil dependency and climate change.
EVs are a good step, but a small one that needs many more, larger, more impactful steps to help the problem.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, needs to watch Micheal Moore's latest documentary on the big business of environmentalism. I don't care if you hate Micheal Moore. He's now risking everything and sticking his fat neck out for people who disagreed with him. It's free on YouTube.

[thomasdixon]

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Below is what I have found. You can do the math
Globally, crude's reserves-to-production ratio has hovered between 40-55 years. (Then the well runs dry)
https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczq
https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczqv

The above is saying, all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned within 40-55 years.

What so many people fail re realize is the there are two (2) dynamics going on here which on the surface seem unrelated which is our biggest mistake, climate change, end of oil in the same time period
World Oil Reserves
1,650,585,140,000 barrels
47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels)
World Oil Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

This means, at current consumption all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned in 47 years.
Which means that the world’s major energy source will not be able to meet demand in 20+/- years.

If the world acts now to gradually switch from oil to renewables the transition will a peaceful one. If we do not do this, a world global fight will occur to control what oil is left. This will lead to WW3 which in itself will burn up what is left.

This may not concern you because you will not be around then; but your grandchildren will !!
Fighting climate change and discovering new renewable energy resources are fighting to achieve the same thing. The survival of the human race.

The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
I think it is time for us to look around at other countries who see the end of oil around the corner----------------

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-sty ... -1.3215796
China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/busin ... 105462466/
China to ban all petrol and diesel cars
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 38726.html
China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN14P06P
(a Berlin-based think tank) and Clean Energy Wire (an associated communications team) announced that renewable electricity “probably” covered more than 90 percent of power demand at 58 GW for a couple of hours on Sunday. https://tinyurl.com/mm9zkt7

People are cutting the use of fossil fuels and learning how to use renewables when in fact at current consumption rates the world well suck up and burn all known reserves in 40-50 years.
Then what?