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Why are we here?

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No, not the big existentialist question, "Why are we (humans) here (this universe)?" but a significantly smaller question, "Why are we (atheists and agnostics) here (Debating Christianity site)?".

I can think of a number of reasons:
  • curiosity
  • overwhelming desire to convert the converted
  • intellectual challenge
  • seeking TRUTH™
  • Learn what they believe and how it is defended
  • other
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Welcome to the A room...

ManBearPig wrote:I come here to make sure I'm not wrong. After all, if a Christian is wrong, they just end up wasting a lot of time/effort/money. But if we atheists/agnostics are wrong, it's significantly more expensive for us :).
Pascal's Wager eh?
ManBearPig wrote: So I want to make sure that there aren't Christians out there who've finally found a way to make sense out of it all.
No one will ever make sense of it all that will fit all comers. All that is required is that YOU make enough sense of things to live a rewarding life free from superstition and guilt.
ManBearPig wrote: I guess as a former Christian, the fear of Hell kinda sticks with you for a long time...
It has never worried me - but then I was never a died in the wool christian.
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

William James quoting Dr. Hodgson

"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

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ManBearPig wrote:I come here to make sure I'm not wrong.
Exactly. As a former Christian, I believe that I was wrong before. Evidently, my powers of reason are not as sharp as I would like to think that they are, or else I would not have fallen for what I now believe to be incorrect. Only by objectively evaluating as far as it is possible, all viewpoints can one protect oneself from entering a blind tunnel of belief.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John

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I'm here (religious forums in general) because I enjoy trying to make people think, that's why I think I am anyway. I'm not actually sure if I've ever actually succeeded :(
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Galphanore wrote:I'm here (religious forums in general) because I enjoy trying to make people think, that's why I think I am anyway. I'm not actually sure if I've ever actually succeeded :(
Probably not. You'll never convince the zealots, their brains stopped working long ago. It's the people on the fence that you have to convince to think, the ones who are not completely crusted over with cobwebs from disuse.

Trying to convince a theist that they're actually wrong is a pointless effort, it's like talking to a brick wall, although the wall has a better chance of answering.

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Cephus wrote:
Galphanore wrote:I'm here (religious forums in general) because I enjoy trying to make people think, that's why I think I am anyway. I'm not actually sure if I've ever actually succeeded :(
Probably not. You'll never convince the zealots, their brains stopped working long ago. It's the people on the fence that you have to convince to think, the ones who are not completely crusted over with cobwebs from disuse.

Trying to convince a theist that they're actually wrong is a pointless effort, it's like talking to a brick wall, although the wall has a better chance of answering.
Yeah, but I can hope. Don't kill my hope! :P
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Galphanore wrote:Don't kill my hope!
There is hope. Former Christians.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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McCulloch wrote:
Galphanore wrote:Don't kill my hope!
There is hope. Former Christians.
Yep, I'm in the group. 8-) I was raised in a very very Catholic family, and even got all the way to being confirmed.
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Cephus wrote:You'll never convince the zealots, their brains stopped working long ago.
Galphanore wrote:Don't kill my hope!
The existence of people in this group should give us all hope. Some of us used to be zealots.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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McCulloch wrote:
Cephus wrote:You'll never convince the zealots, their brains stopped working long ago.
Galphanore wrote:Don't kill my hope!
The existence of people in this group should give us all hope. Some of us used to be zealots.
True, but I'd be interested to know what made those of us who used to be zealots become atheist. What finally broke through the shield?
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I live in a small town in Michigan. Not many people around here read the stuff I like to read and I have an interest is religion, history, sociology, psychology, anthropology and science. Here I get to interact with people that actually share some of my interests and many have provided resources and information that one human could never master alone.
Having been involved wit religion all my life as a life long student and recovering believer I do see the possibility of the concept of God and traditions as valuable.
I like the idea that the idea of God extends our reach. It also provides comfort.
What bothers me is the dummying of thought. When faithfulness becomes believing certain facts, that are unbelievable, have to be true the subject loses its depth and appeal.
This escape from reason appears in our country as creationism verses evolution and such diversions.

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