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No, not the big existentialist question, "Why are we (humans) here (this universe)?" but a significantly smaller question, "Why are we (atheists and agnostics) here (Debating Christianity site)?".

I can think of a number of reasons:
  • curiosity
  • overwhelming desire to convert the converted
  • intellectual challenge
  • seeking TRUTH™
  • Learn what they believe and how it is defended
  • other
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Galphanore wrote:True, but I'd be interested to know what made those of us who used to be zealots become atheist. What finally broke through the shield?
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McCulloch wrote:The existence of people in this group should give us all hope. Some of us used to be zealots.
I usually don't run into a lot of ex-hardcore fundamentalists turned atheist though, most people who have rejected religion usually weren't the big time Bible bangers, they were more liberal in their theology. I'm probably one of the more stringent ex-Christians around and I was really a strong believer, but when it came down to religion against reality, reality won hands down.

You have to remember, we're talking about people who, when religion comes into conflict with reality, religion always wins.

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Cephus wrote:
McCulloch wrote:The existence of people in this group should give us all hope. Some of us used to be zealots.
I usually don't run into a lot of ex-hardcore fundamentalists turned atheist though, most people who have rejected religion usually weren't the big time Bible bangers, they were more liberal in their theology. I'm probably one of the more stringent ex-Christians around and I was really a strong believer, but when it came down to religion against reality, reality won hands down.

You have to remember, we're talking about people who, when religion comes into conflict with reality, religion always wins.
Exactly, I'd like to know if there are any ex-fundamentalists. If there are any here, I think it'd be a good idea to have a thread dedicated to talking to them about their....conversion?
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Cephus wrote:I usually don't run into a lot of ex-hardcore fundamentalists turned atheist though, most people who have rejected religion usually weren't the big time Bible bangers, they were more liberal in their theology.
This has not been my experience. I have found that liberals who give up their faith become agnostic and that fundamentalists, myself included, who give up their faith become atheist. I am sure that there are plenty of exceptions.
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McCulloch wrote:
Cephus wrote:I usually don't run into a lot of ex-hardcore fundamentalists turned atheist though, most people who have rejected religion usually weren't the big time Bible bangers, they were more liberal in their theology.
This has not been my experience. I have found that liberals who give up their faith become agnostic and that fundamentalists, myself included, who give up their faith become atheist. I am sure that there are plenty of exceptions.
I was fairly liberal and am an Atheist now. Would you mind if we had a thread about your experiences as a Fundie?
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Galphanore wrote:Would you mind if we had a thread about your experiences as a Fundie?
Would you like it here in the A Room, where theists can read but not post, or in Questions For ... where everyone can participate?
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McCulloch wrote:This has not been my experience. I have found that liberals who give up their faith become agnostic and that fundamentalists, myself included, who give up their faith become atheist. I am sure that there are plenty of exceptions.
In my experience, the really hardcore fundamentalists just don't deconvert very often and when they do, they crash hard and become just as hardcore atheists. It's usually the liberal theists, who at least are like us, in the land of the thinking, who can transition to a wider range of non-belief, as you said.

But the more fundamentalist, the more unlikely it is that you will ever reach them with logic and reasoning because they are the ones who have embraced religion at their very core and made it a fundamental part of their self-image.

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McCulloch wrote:
Galphanore wrote:Would you mind if we had a thread about your experiences as a Fundie?
Would you like it here in the A Room, where theists can read but not post, or in Questions For ... where everyone can participate?
Probably Questions For, I mostly want to know about how you felt about religious doctrine, and what you used as justifications to defend your faith. Also, things about how you came to change your mind of those things. It might also be a good idea to ask people who are still Christians what they think about how you thought. I've more questions but I'll post them in that thread. Do you want to start it or should I?
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Galphanore wrote:Do you want to start it or should I?
You ask, I'll answer. Maybe. ;)
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McCulloch wrote:
Galphanore wrote:Do you want to start it or should I?
You ask, I'll answer. Maybe. ;)
Alright, here we go then :)
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