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should the bible include the Septuagint?

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Wheres the Wisdom?

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I have only ever discussed the Apocrypha once on this site, and that was when I was defending it in the Holy Huddle Room, under "Avoiding Purgatory." So this time I'm going to provide evidence for its authenticity. The Septuagint was taken out of the bibles of the protestant Church for different reasons. The main are listed in "Avoiding Purgatory and I already answered them. The essential reason though was that they were too Catholic. That's why Lutheran's got rid of 'em in the 20th century. We now know the book of Wisdom, or the Wisdom of Solomon, was written at or around 100 B.C. So let's read Wisdom Chapter 2 (bear with me here, it's short)

The Book of Wisdom
Chapter 2:1-24

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"they who said among themselves, thinking not aright: "Brief and troublous is our lifetime; neither is there any remedy for man's dying, nor is anyone known to have come back from the nether world.
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For haphazard were we born, and hereafter we shall be as though we had not been; Because the breath in our nostrils is a smoke and reason is a spark at the beating of our hearts,
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And when this is quenched, our body will be ashes and our spirit will be poured abroad like unresisting air.
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Even our name will be forgotten in time, and no one will recall our deeds. So our life will pass away like the traces of a cloud, and will be dispersed like a mist pursued by the sun's rays and overpowered by its heat.
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For our lifetime is the passing of a shadow; and our dying cannot be deferred because it is fixed with a seal; and no one returns.
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Come, therefore, let us enjoy the good things that are real, and use the freshness of creation avidly.
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Let us have our fill of costly wine and perfumes, and let no springtime blossom pass us by;
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let us crown ourselves with rosebuds ere they wither.
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1 Let no meadow be free from our wantonness; everywhere let us leave tokens of our rejoicing, for this our portion is, and this our lot.
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Let us oppress the needy just man; let us neither spare the widow nor revere the old man for his hair grown white with time.
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But let our strength be our norm of justice; for weakness proves itself useless.
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2 3 Let us beset the just one, because he is obnoxious to us; he sets himself against our doings, Reproaches us for transgressions of the law and charges us with violations of our training.
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He professes to have knowledge of God and styles himself a child of the LORD.
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To us he is the censure of our thoughts; merely to see him is a hardship for us,
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Because his life is not like other men's, and different are his ways.
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He judges us debased; he holds aloof from our paths as from things impure. He calls blest the destiny of the just and boasts that God is his Father.
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Let us see whether his words be true; let us find out what will happen to him.
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For if the just one be the son of God, he will defend him and deliver him from the hand of his foes.
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With revilement and torture let us put him to the test that we may have proof of his gentleness and try his patience.
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Let us condemn him to a shameful death; for according to his own words, God will take care of him."

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These were their thoughts, but they erred; for their wickedness blinded them,
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And they knew not the hidden counsels of God; neither did they count on a recompense of holiness nor discern the innocent souls' reward.
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For God formed man to be imperishable; the image of his own nature he made him.
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But by the envy of the devil, death entered the world, and they who are in his possession experience it."

This clearly is talking about Jesus Christ, for it fits His life exactly as according to the Gospels. So... if the book of Wisdom is prophetic, why don't protestants have it? The power of prophesying is supernatural, so from there we can infer that it is either from God or Satan. It says those who condemned Him are blinded by their wickedness, and so that infers that it must be God, for "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand." Matthew 12:25

So really, why don't protestants have the Book of Wisdom? Why did they pass on the Septuagint in the 1st place?
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This silence is killing me.

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Braveheart wrote:This silence is killing me.
Almost 50 people have read it, but not out loud.

Is it Bible? Maybe?
Is it interesting? Definitely!

I like this part...

2 We came into being by chance and afterwards shall be as though we had never been.

It so sounds like evolution and the wisdom of this present age.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 294#399294
"I believe in no religion. There is absolutely no proof for any of them, and from a philosophical standpoint Christianity is not even the best. All religions, that is, all mythologies to give them their proper name, are merely man’s own invention..."

C.S. Lewis

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olavisjo wrote:
I like this part...

2 We came into being by chance and afterwards shall be as though we had never been.

It so sounds like evolution and the wisdom of this present age.
Don't forget to close your quote with the good news:

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These were their thoughts, but they erred; for their wickedness blinded them,
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And they knew not the hidden counsels of God;


This life is a test. Using "chance" as a final exam answer will not serve you well.
I am not afraid... I was born to do this.
Joan of Arc :2gun:

Peace if possible, truth at all costs.
Martin Luther

The Church of God she will not bend her knees
To the gods of this world though they promise her peace
She stands her ground
Stands firm on the Rock
Watch their walls tumble down when she lives out His love
Rich Mullins

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