An American Problem

[Sherlock Holmes]

So do you agree? is this an American problem?

[Miles]

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It's a problem in several countries, but extraordinarily so in the USA.


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"Every day, more than 110 people in America are killed with guns. The gun homicide rate in the U.S. is 25 times higher than that of other developed countries, but research shows that common-sense public safety laws can reduce gun violence and save lives."
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[Aetixintro]

[Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #1]

It may be argued that a mentally diseased population chooses to remain without guns (and pepper spray). So these places fall back to the Triangle of Problems: heroin addiction, corruption and (more) torture. All in order to have enough evil to feed on.

[Sherlock Holmes]

As a society the US has come to glorify the gun. It is such a deeply entrenched thing in US culture that it doesn't stand out as it does in many other countries. Look at typical movie posters, if there is a gun used in the movie then that will be present in the image of the movie poster.

Perhaps passing laws that prohibit the overt displaying of guns in movie posters might help a little, as it stands we are swamped in such imagery and we have normalized something that should be seen as exceptional, unusual, not routine, typical.







and on and on and on it goes, frankly I find this obsessive, ever present, incessant adoration of guns quite sickening, it isn't good and we are seeing where it leads now clearer than ever before.

[Aetixintro]

[Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #1]

Further then, we have 3 interesting cases to follow outside USA:
One "negative": Australia has removed some very important guns from their society and I don't think they allow pepper spray either. Prediction is that Australia will fold in with Europe.
Two "positive": Brazil and Philippines. They are moving in for 2nd Amendment type of legislation and it's unknown what their standing is on pepper spray. Prediction: these 2 countries will have the same great societies as USA in some time. Surely, some gun deaths, but not the Triangle of Problems, the corruption, the (whole lot of) torture and the heroin addiction.

So, if predictions succeed, then the value of guns (and pepper sprays) are proven. Let's see what happens. One thing's for sure, the next 20 years are going to be incredibly exciting.

[AgnosticBoy]

So do you agree? is this an American problem?

In terms of high percentages, gun crime is an American problem. The challenge is explaining how or why. It is easy to put the finger at guns, since the US does have the highest number of guns in circulation. However, I think other factors should be considered given that most of the gun crime may be coming from a certain population (like criminals, the ones that aren't supposed to have guns in the first place), as opposed to coming from lawful gun owners. If that's the case, then simply keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill would reduce gun crime since that's the source of high gun crime.

[Miles]

So do you agree? is this an American problem?

In terms of high percentages, gun crime is an American problem. The challenge is explaining how or why. It is easy to put the finger at guns, since the US does have the highest number of guns in circulation. However, I think other factors should be considered given that most of the gun crime may be coming from a certain population (like criminals, the ones that aren't supposed to have guns in the first place), as opposed to coming from lawful gun owners. If that's the case, then simply keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill would reduce gun crime since that's the source of high gun crime.

What factors are those? And are they unique to the USA, because if they aren't then they likely have little bearing on the problem.


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[AgnosticBoy]

So do you agree? is this an American problem?

In terms of high percentages, gun crime is an American problem. The challenge is explaining how or why. It is easy to put the finger at guns, since the US does have the highest number of guns in circulation. However, I think other factors should be considered given that most of the gun crime may be coming from a certain population (like criminals, the ones that aren't supposed to have guns in the first place), as opposed to coming from lawful gun owners. If that's the case, then simply keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill would reduce gun crime since that's the source of high gun crime.

What factors are those? And are they unique to the USA, because if they aren't then they likely have little bearing on the problem.


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Of course, every country has criminals and mentally ill people. But not every country has lots of criminals and mentally ill WITH guns. That latter combination seems to be a uniquely American problem.

It's too easy for ANYONE to get their hands on a gun in America.

[Miles]

So do you agree? is this an American problem?

In terms of high percentages, gun crime is an American problem. The challenge is explaining how or why. It is easy to put the finger at guns, since the US does have the highest number of guns in circulation. However, I think other factors should be considered given that most of the gun crime may be coming from a certain population (like criminals, the ones that aren't supposed to have guns in the first place), as opposed to coming from lawful gun owners. If that's the case, then simply keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill would reduce gun crime since that's the source of high gun crime.

What factors are those? And are they unique to the USA, because if they aren't then they likely have little bearing on the problem.


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Of course, every country has criminals and mentally ill people. But not every country has lots of criminals and mentally ill WITH guns. That latter combination seems to be a uniquely American problem.

It's too easy for ANYONE to get their hands on a gun in America.

Agreed: Far too many guns. And IMO the only reason for possessing an AK-47 or the like is:

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[Diogenes]

Australia had a a gun culture, but they acted swiftly and dramatically to buy back guns and enact strong gun control laws after a mass shooting. New Zealand and the UK did the same. Meanwhile in America we have nitwits like Trump and Texas Gov. Abbot. Abbot says more gun control laws won't work. He emphasizes the need for access to mental health. Texas ranks last in access to mental health.
https://mhanational.org/issues/2022/men ... -care-data