Should the next president be a woman?

[2Dbunk]

Quote by agnosticatheist in the Househusbands thread, post #13, Science and Religion. (I refer you there for a running brouhaha on the contradiction below:)


I believe that men and women are equal.

With that said...I think that generally, women still are not cut out for the workplace.

2Dbunk said in reply:

Are not those two sentences contradictory?

Former Prime Minister Thatcher and Germany's Angela Merkel are examples of what women are capable of achieving. I find it interesting that the next president of the USA may well be a woman. Carly Fiorina v. Hillary Clinton could well be the opposing candidates.

The question for debate: Is the United States ready to elect a woman as president? To avoid the running war of words in househusbands thread (Science and Religion), try to be objective, un-repetitive and less emotional. Statistics would be nice if available.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 5 by 2Dbunk]

Sure 1000 tokens if Hillary gets the nomination and a 1000 tokens if Sanders gets it.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1 by 2Dbunk]

So I don't see it this election cycle.

As the most likely outcome will present us with the choice of the nominee of the Democratic Party versus the nominee from the Republican side, why does it seem unlikely to you that HRC will not win the election? The GOP is somewhat in disarray and as of today, the likely GOP nominee wouldnt fare well against Clinton if polling is anywhere near predictive. Moreover, should the GOP establishment right the ship and produce a more electable candidate, presently that look like it would be either Rubio or Cruz, who, once again, would not be strong national candidates.

I am not making a value judgement one way or another, but if one were to place bets there would be two fairly easy wagers:

1. HRC will win the Democratic nomination
2. She will win a national election against either Trump or Carson

The first is somewhat of a lock, the second seem to backed by polling. Absent a serious (unexpected) development, it would seem that an HRC victory is more likely than not.

Hillary will not secure the democratic nomination for the same reasons she lost her last attempt. Obama a fairly unknown at the time won some early contests when everyone thought Hillary was unbeatable. Once the cracks showed people realized they had a choice and they didn't choose her. This election cycle started much the same way no one really thinks they have a choice so they all mark Hillary when polled. As soon as Hillary loses one early contest or comes close to losing she won't win the rest.

Trump or Carson won't win the republican nomination. Trump appeals to a very specific xenophobic subset of Republicans and name cache alone. Carson is quickly fading due to his own pathological need to exaggerate his personal history.

I see Rubio sneaking in at this point and possibly Cruz.

[KenRU]

But then again, I think the two party system is broke beyond repair, with extremists on both sides of the aisle hijacking the parties and rendering them out of touch today with many people's concerns. But what do I know?

Thankfully there's Trump and Sanders to bring the common people's concerns back into the Overton window.

I have a lot of popcorn stored up for an eventual Trump vs Sanders fight so don't disappoint me, USA.

The fact that anyone thinks this egomaniacal, arrogant, misogynistic, self-aggrandizing showman like Trump would make a good president depresses me to no end.

[2Dbunk]

[Replying to post 11 by DanieltheDragon]

Sure 1000 tokens if Hillary gets the nomination and a 1000 tokens if Sanders gets it.

That sounds like a win - win wager for you. Please clarify. (Since this is a Christian forum, is betting okay? -- you know, one of their limitations).

How about 500 tokens if Hillary gets the nomination? I'll make that bet. (I tried to give 100 tokens away a while back, and was denied for some reason or other. I'm telling you this 'cause I may have to owe you 'till I become something other than a student. My IOU is good).

RPS

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to 2Dbunk]

That is what I meant you win if Hillary wins and I win if Hillary loses.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 9 by Paprika]


Trump? This echoes back to the third Riech when Adolph was elected (for somewhat similar populist reasons)!

Please explain, what specific reasons are you referring to and can you support this comparison with facts?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to bluethread]

I think the whole registration of Muslims and establishing a database of Muslims as well as drawing upon racial stereotypes to foster a racially and religiously charged political base draws parallels to Hitler wanting to register Jews and draw upon various xenophobic charged rhetoric namely setting up the communist party as a foil for his socialist party.

Albeit I think Trump is running a false flag campaign and is doing this in a very elaborate political satire. So I don't think he is a genuine Hitler type.

[bluethread]

[Replying to bluethread]

I think the whole registration of Muslims and establishing a database of Muslims as well as drawing upon racial stereotypes to foster a racially and religiously charged political base draws parallels to Hitler wanting to register Jews and draw upon various xenophobic charged rhetoric namely setting up the communist party as a foil for his socialist party.

Albeit I think Trump is running a false flag campaign and is doing this in a very elaborate political satire. So I don't think he is a genuine Hitler type.

You mean like the interment of the Japanese, requiring every citizen to be registered with the government and making all businesses take direction from an overarching governmental authority?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to bluethread]

I think the whole registration of Muslims and establishing a database of Muslims as well as drawing upon racial stereotypes to foster a racially and religiously charged political base draws parallels to Hitler wanting to register Jews and draw upon various xenophobic charged rhetoric namely setting up the communist party as a foil for his socialist party.

Albeit I think Trump is running a false flag campaign and is doing this in a very elaborate political satire. So I don't think he is a genuine Hitler type.

You mean like the interment of the Japanese, requiring every citizen to be registered with the government and making all businesses take direction from an overarching governmental authority?

Sure that to, but you asked in reference to someone's claims of the third reich not American behaviors during WWII. Which I am sure we both can agree was a bad idea. Just like Trumps plan to register Muslims, close Mosques, and kick out naturalized citizens.

[bluethread]

[Replying to bluethread]

I think the whole registration of Muslims and establishing a database of Muslims as well as drawing upon racial stereotypes to foster a racially and religiously charged political base draws parallels to Hitler wanting to register Jews and draw upon various xenophobic charged rhetoric namely setting up the communist party as a foil for his socialist party.

Albeit I think Trump is running a false flag campaign and is doing this in a very elaborate political satire. So I don't think he is a genuine Hitler type.

You mean like the interment of the Japanese, requiring every citizen to be registered with the government and making all businesses take direction from an overarching governmental authority?

Sure that to, but you asked in reference to someone's claims of the third reich not American behaviors during WWII. Which I am sure we both can agree was a bad idea. Just like Trumps plan to register Muslims, close Mosques, and kick out naturalized citizens.

You were comparing Trump to a WWII fascist leader, so I was just seeing if you were making a comparison to Hitler specifically or just any fascist, like say FDR, who was elected President four times.