Can democracy and human rights flourish in a Muslim society?

[t]

Can democracy and human rights flourish in a Muslim society?

[Corvus]

Yes, of course. Turkey is a reasonable example of the kind. It would be nice if they didn't slaughter Kurds, but, well, nobody is perfect. Then we have Malaysia and Indonesia, both of which have large Muslim populations. (87% Sunni Islam for Indonesia, and an official religion of Sunni Islam with over 53% of the population in Malaysia) Malaysia is actually one of the most stable Islamic countries in the world. So there is no question human rights and "democracy" (what you mean is democratic republicanism) can flourish in an Islamic country.

What your question should be is, can peace exist in the middle east. And yes, I believe so, if we removed Israel from the equation and waited until the peoples opressed in certain Arabic nations went into revolt. It's bound to happen sooner or later.

[t]

Most Arab governments are dictatorships whose people know nothing of either democracy or human rights. The few that do allow some measure of democratic freedom and human rights keep a tight rein on Muslim teachers. This at least helps. Freedoms such as freedom of worship. How can you be democratic nation if no one can even worship when and where they want. Is democracy picking and choosing which freedoms they should give their people?

[Corvus]

Most Arab governments are dictatorships whose people know nothing of either democracy or human rights.

Yes, but that's neither a result of being Arab or being Muslim.

The few that do allow some measure of democratic freedom and human rights keep a tight rein on Muslim teachers.

In the case of Malaysia and Indonesia, no, they don't. They keep a tight rein on Islamic extremism just as we're expected to keep a tight rein on Christian extremism.

This at least helps. Freedoms such as freedom of worship. How can you be democratic nation if no one can even worship when and where they want. Is democracy picking and choosing which freedoms they should give their people?

A true democracy is, yes. True democracy is essentially mob rule. We don't live in a true democracy, we live in a democratic republic. Or you do. I live in a constitutional monarchy, which has a representative democracy.

Fascism and dictatorship was prevalent in Europe before it was prevalent in the Orient. During the last century, fascist regimes existed in Italy, Japan, Spain, not to mention the biggy abusers of human rights, Germany and Russia. Almost all of these cases are dictators fashioning a national identity out of violence in order to keep them in power.

Freedoms to worship do exist in Islamic countries, obviously Malaysia and Indonesia, but they also go unharrassed in Egypt and, if I remember correctly, Syria. There are an estimated 10 to 12 million Arab Christians in the middle east.

So yes, again, I think I have proved democracy and human rights can flourish in Arabic and Muslim nations. What's needed is a revolution, perhaps as a result of an increase in living standards and education, which is generally the cause of such movements. The Middle East does not have massive bodies of newly "liberated" burgeos. If it did, then we'll see a lot more benign democratic republics and constitutional monarchies.

Your question implies that Islam or Arabs are to blame for democracy not flourishing. This is not necessarily true.

[Angry McFurious]

no. democracy and islamic law will be in conflict. religion and democracy in places like that will fail.

[perspective]

no. democracy and islamic law will be in conflict. religion and democracy in places like that will fail.

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[Angry McFurious]

Ok thanks for calling me out fore something everyone else does too!

[Angry McFurious]

Ok let me break it down b4 the power hungry folks freak out.

1) A female can not rule over a man in islamic like but it will in democracy.
2) The leader of the lands religion is to be followed by all those who live in the leaders ruled teritory.

You happy now? Now like my teacher told me in 3rd grade if you want to know more go look it up

[Corvus]

Ok let me break it down b4 the power hungry folks freak out.

1) A female can not rule over a man in islamic like but it will in democracy.
2) The leader of the lands religion is to be followed by all those who live in the leaders ruled teritory.

You happy now? Now like my teacher told me in 3rd grade if you want to know more go look it up

Could we have a source? Since you are the one stating these evidences, we would like to know where they came from.

Also, remember Islamic law is something different to Islamic society. An Islamic society does not necessarily have to have an Islamic law, as America was once predominantly Christian and was a Christian society, their government was secular. Saddam Hussein was also a secular dictator ruling over an Islamic country, though that did not exactly work out.

[Angry McFurious]

Greenvile News: My Source

Theres my source. Jeeze people I'm debating for fun not writing a school paper for yall! Anyways yes This is Islamic LAW not SOCIETY even though it does match there current society beliefs