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Russian Ban of Jehovah's Witnesses

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Jehovah's Witneses in Russia a facing an imminent ban which would criminalize all of Jehovah's Witnessses in the country as "extremists". Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide are presently conducting a letter writing campaign to protest this injustice.
CLATIFICATION 2020: Since the ban of the Watchtower Society was eventually passed in April 2017 thread is specifically to discuss the actual charges mentioned in the State procesution papers and the subseqent arrests under the specific charges under Article 282.2 (1) of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (RF Criminal Code) of EXTREMISM in Russia.
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What is your opinion of this move? Should Jehovah's Witnesses be banned from meeting to pray, read their bibles and sing spiritual songs together?

Do you think such a move could be envisioned elsewhere?

If you are non-religious, would you welcome such measures as a move to ultimately eliminate organized religion?



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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 38 by Donray]

As Jehovah's Witnesses we are politically neutral; I suppose that makes us an "easy target" when it comes to persecution.

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Yet you don't seem to be politically neutral on this issue? Why do you get to be politically active on this issue and keep your political neutrality intact?
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I was surprised to read about this but did not have enough information .

JW is being run from New York, an US organisation. Considering all Russia bashing this should not be surprise as religion and politics are somehow connected.
Bit of info I was able to find is that JWs have been given warnings about different restrictions on its members (Russian citizens).

From Russian Insider: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/r ... te/ri19684

"The Supreme Court of Russia stated that the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ church organization has systematically and through central governance infringed on human rights and trampled the freedoms of those belonging to the denomination. The sect forbids restricts families, bans many types of education and restricts medical treatments.

Russia demonstrates a primary desire to protect the basic necessities of life for its own citizens. If a religious group creates a threat to the people’s livelihood and demonstrably threatens the citizen’s life, rights and freedoms."

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Yes major news outlets have indeed taken up issue. Here is an extract from The New York Times
Human Rights Watch, in a statement issued in Moscow, condemned the court ruling as “a serious breach of Russia’s obligations to respect and protect religious freedom.�

Rachel Denber, the human rights group’s deputy director for Europe and Central Asia, said the decision delivered “a terrible blow to freedom of religion and association in Russia.�

Jehovah’s Witnesses shuns political activity and has no record of even peaceful — never mind violent — hostility to the Russian authorities. But it has faced growing hostility from the state since President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia began his third term in 2012 and put the Orthodox Church at the center of his push to assert Russia as a great military and moral power.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/worl ... html?&_r=0





Here's an extract from NPR
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That's not to say that the alternative media and private blogs have nothing of value to say...

Russia pulls trigger on Jehovah's Witnesses and, this time, mainstream media take notice
https://www.getreligion.org/getreligion ... ake-notice



We seem to see history repeating itself


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Jehovah's Witnesses Had Foes Before Putin
487APRIL 21, 2017 11:52 AM EDT
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Leonid Bershidsky

When the Russian Supreme Court banned Jehovah's Witnesses and ordered the confiscation of the denomination's property on Thursday, it wasn't the first time. The faithful were outlaws in the Soviet Union, too, until that country's final year. The stubborn group will fight on -- but the court has delivered another chilling reminder that President Vladimir Putin's Russia is even less free than the USSR was.


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Yes, we can only hope this ruling will not lead to loss of life, but I fear there will indeed be civil and human rights violations.

I believe this is a Russian based newspaper reporting...
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-jehovahs ... 53497.html
"The congregation expects difficulties of some kind. Unfortunately, we have a lot of experience in this," says Kondautov, whose grandfather-in-law, a Jehovah's Witness, was sent to the labor camps under Josef Stalin for proselytizing.

The Jehovah's Witnesses had a small -- and persecuted -- following in the Soviet Union. After their activities were legalized after the Soviet breakup, its number of active members rose to more than 170,000.

The Kingdom Hall attended by Kondautov is the biggest in Moscow and has been rented by Jehovah's Witnesses for about 20 years. It has five different halls shared by worshippers divided into congregations by Moscow region. There are also services conducted in foreign languages and one in sign language for a small deaf congregation.

After the incident in St. Petersburg, Kondautov says, they have stopped using their main hall because it is on the ground floor and they fear stones could be thrown at the windows.
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Yes you are right to bring up the issue of human rights. Experts and human rights organizations have indeed voiced their concern over the treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. And the European Court (Europe's "Supreme Court" to which Russia does adhere) has already made several ruling in favor of the Jehovah's Witnesses identifying Russia's treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses as unlawful

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NEWSWEEK Article
http://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnes ... ice-589791

AFTER BAN, JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES IN RUSSIA HARASSED BY POLICE DURING RELIGIOUS SERVICES
BY JASON LE MIERE ON 4/25/17 AT 4:48 PM

Russian authorities have already begun breaking up Jehovah’s Witnesses services and collecting members’ identities following a Supreme Court decision to uphold a ban on the religious organization, a spokesman for the faith said Tuesday.

Backing a charge from Russia’s justice ministry that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ activity put it in violation of the country’s anti-extremism law, the Supreme Court Thursday ordered all 395 of the religious group's local chapters to be seized and its activities outlawed. The faith, which comprises 175,000 members in Russia and has been active in the country since 1991, has yet to receive the written decision from the court, which it needs in order to launch an appeal, something which it has said it will do.

In the meantime, the group's bank accounts in Russia have already been frozen and most kingdom halls, where members gather for services and prayer, have ceased activity. Where local chapters have remained operating, an intimidatory police presence is being felt, said spokesman for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia, Yaroslav Sivulskiy.

“We expect that the police will be very active to interrupt meetings,� he told Newsweek Tuesday. “We've already started to receive reports in some places that meetings were disrupted. They take personal data, like copies of personal identity, of who was there. And after that, they let them go, but they want to know who attends those meetings.�

During the six-day Supreme Court hearing, the justice ministry said members of the group could be prosecuted individually if the decision went in its favor. Sivulskiy says he is now fearful of worshippers being placed in prison.

“Probably could happen,� he said. “So far nobody is in prison but this court decision is a major one. It’s opened the door for any unjust action against Jehovah’s Witnesses. We have no illusions that everything will be OK. No, it will not be OK.�

The faith's legal fight was dealt another blow Monday when a district court in Moscow rejected a lawsuit attempting to lift a suspension on the group’s assets put in place when Russia's justice ministry declared it an extremist organization last month. Sivulskiy said he has “very, very little� hope that an appeal will be successful. From there, the only remaining step will be to go to the European Court of Human Rights. But even if that court rules in the group's favor, there is no guarantee Russia would accept the decision.

The anti-extremism law was introduced in Russia following the country’s second war in Chechnya in 1999 and 2000 and the 9/11 attacks in the United States. During the Supreme Court hearing, the justice ministry argued that Jehovah’s Witnesses stance on rejecting blood transfusions was one of the ways it was in violation of that law. The Christian denomination, which was formed and still has its headquarters in the United States, had already been prevented from importing its religious texts.
The Supreme Court ruling was condemned last week by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, which called it an act of “paranoia� on the part of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s government.
The ruling was also criticized by the U.S. State Department, as well as the European Union and governments in Germany and the United Kingdom. On Tuesday, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) added their voice to the protest, particularly in light of reports of police breaking up religious services.

“I urge the Russian authorities to ensure that rights to freedom of religion or belief, freedom of opinion and expression, freedom of peaceful assembly and association of individuals belonging to the Jehovah’s Witnesses community are upheld, in compliance with the obligations of the country under international human rights law and OSCE commitments,� Michael Georg Link, director of the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, said in a statement.
Sivulskiy said Jehovah's Witnesses are not a threat to Russia.

“You can’t accuse Jehovah’s Witnesses of being extremist," Sivulskiy said. "It’s insane because we are so innocent. Terrorism and extremism is a synonym. How can Jehovah’s Witnesses be a synonym to al-Qaeda or something like this? It’s… no words. No words.�

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"Yes you are right to bring up the issue of human rights. Experts and human rights organizations have indeed voiced their concern over the treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. And the European Court (Europe's "Supreme Court" to which Russia does adhere) has already made several ruling in favor of the Jehovah's Witnesses identifying Russia's treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses as unlawful"

What are those 'several rulings in favor of JW in Russia'?
Also, what exactly is the Russian law against?
Is it singing in the Church, is it reading the Bible?

As for this Human Rights or that one, forget it.
They are not heard of when thousands of Palestian and Syrian children are killed and starved.

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Monta wrote:What are those 'several rulings in favor of JW in Russia'?
They are frankly too numerous to list here, so below is just a sample.



From 1998 to 2004, Jehovah’s Witnesses in Moscow, Russia, found it necessary to go to court to defend themselves from numerous false accusations. In 1998 the Prosecutor of the Northern Administrative District of Moscow filed a civil action to ban Jehovah’s Witnesses in Moscow and dissolve their Christian association. The Russian courts sided with the prosecutor, so an application was made to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), which evaluated the evidence in the light of fundamental human rights. On 10 June 2010,3 the ECHR unanimously concluded that all the accusations made against Jehovah’s Witnesses in Moscow were unfounded.

The ECHR ruled that the liquidation of the religious organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Moscow and the refusal to re-register that religious organization violated the right to freedom of religion and the right to freedom of association guaranteed by Articles 9 and 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights (the Convention).4 The ECHR also ruled that the court proceedings in Russia violated Article 6 of the Convention, which protects the right to a fair trial.

Download full information package HERE (PdF document)
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal-resour ... t_index]=2

European Court of Human Rights, Jehovah’s Witnesses of Moscow v. Russia, 10 June 2010 Article 9 (Freedom of religion) - Article 11 (Freedom of association)

182. In the light of the foregoing, the Court considers that the interference with the applicant community’s right to freedom of religion and association was not justified. There has therefore been a violation of Article 11 of the Convention read in the light of Article 9 on account of the refusal of re-registration of the applicant community.

Read the full judgement HERE
http://www.droit-tj.fr/spip.php?article444


European Court Protects Privacy Rights in Case Involving Jehovah’s Witnesses

NEW YORK—On Thursday, June 6, 2013, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ordered Russia to pay damages of 5,000 euros ($6,622) to Ms. V. Zhukova and Ms. Y. Avilkina, respectively. Russian officials acquired private medical records belonging to Ms. Zhukova and Ms. Avilkina without their authorization. The Court ruled that this act violated fundamental privacy rights, which they characterized as “a vital principle� guaranteed by the European Convention.

The Court’s ruling culminates over five years of legal proceedings. In 2007, a St. Petersburg Deputy City Prosecutor ordered medical institutions in the city to forward “every refusal of transfusion of blood or its components by Jehovah’s Witnesses� to the prosecutor’s office—without providing notice to or obtaining consent of the patient. Therefore, on March 9, 2009, the Witnesses submitted to the ECHR the application Avilkina and Others v. Russia. In its ruling, the Court called Russia’s actions “oppressive� and confirmed that there existed no “relevant or sufficient reasons� for disclosing this private information to public officials.

Read the full article HERE
https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by- ... t_index]=0

Russia: Restricting Freedom of Assembly Unlawful [News release and details]
https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by- ... t_index]=5
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