Can a country with no public education compete with those that do have public education?
Are there any examples of countries without public education in the modern era that have succeeded economically and/or are thriving?
What would be the Pros of eliminating public education?
What are the cons of eliminating public education?
Is no public education good for a countries success?
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In sixth grade I was given a bible in school. One of them little red'ns.
No, outside school, 'cause it ain't illegal I reckon if you use public funds to pay teachers to walk ya outside and make ya promise you'll read this book they promote that's full of the goofiest, most deranged thinking ever produced by the human mind. Needless to say, I got many frowns of disaproval when I threw mine to the ground.
"Now Joey, you shouldn't do that to God." - "Teacher".
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":roll:" - "Teacher".
I leave the remainder of your post to others, unless you wish for me to address some or all the rest of it.
Please give examples.JP Cusick wrote: ...
The worse is the promotion of sexual activity and sexual deviance.
Slowly.
Agreed. The emphasis on sports over academics in some schools - public or private - is appalling.JP Cusick wrote: Near to that is the promotion of competition as the governing mentality.
It's a poor God who can't defend himself, or who can't promote himself without relying on others to do his work for him.JP Cusick wrote: The schools teach anti God and anti religion, and promote secular humanism.
In sixth grade I was given a bible in school. One of them little red'ns.
No, outside school, 'cause it ain't illegal I reckon if you use public funds to pay teachers to walk ya outside and make ya promise you'll read this book they promote that's full of the goofiest, most deranged thinking ever produced by the human mind. Needless to say, I got many frowns of disaproval when I threw mine to the ground.
"Now Joey, you shouldn't do that to God." - "Teacher".
"Is God a book?" - Me.
":roll:" - "Teacher".
I remember in eighth grade, my senior year, I had me a class called "Civics", where it was, I learned me just that (among other notions).JP Cusick wrote: The failure to teach the civil laws or about the Courts is a big problem too.
I leave the remainder of your post to others, unless you wish for me to address some or all the rest of it.
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Post #12The schools promote it and empower it and encourage it - so there does not need to be a specific class by that designation.DanieltheDragon wrote: I am unaware of any sex ed program that promotes any sexual activity or deviance.
The science classes, and teaching evolution is completely unnecessary if the schools are to make students into better citizens.DanieltheDragon wrote:What course material and subject promotes this? Aside from that being violation of the first amendment, why is the vast majority of Americans identified as Christian?JP Cusick wrote:The schools teach anti God and anti religion, and promote secular humanism.
I really do not like the 1st Amendment and it was a mistake in the first place.
Having free speech and free religion, free press and free to assemble, were always a God given ability, but it was never to be a government enforced right.
The original Constitution was not to have the so called "Bill of Rights" which is why they are called = amendments.
It use to be fairly accurate that the USA was a Christian nation, and as Christians other religions were still welcome, but then the USA under the force of public education decided to exclude Christianity from the school curriculum and so the process of anti God and anti religion began.
Why would any Country teach in its public schools the ideas and ideology which was directly apposed to the population? Answer = There is no justification to do such a thing.
In a Muslim Country we can expect their public schools to teach Islam, in a Hindu Country we can expect their public schools to teach Hinduism, in a Catholic Country we can expect their public schools to teach Catholicism, in a Protestant Country we can expect their public schools to teach the student to be Protestant.
In the USA the public schools teach the students a doctrine which went against their parents, and now we have science and Atheism as our State sponsored religion - without calling it religion.
That is not done because of budget cuts.DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 4 by JP Cusick]
I agree 100%. Civics is also an important subject often gutted due to budget cuts.The failure to teach the civil laws or about the Courts is a big problem too.
The public schools would not improve by increasing the budget(s).
It does not have to be a violent revolution, or at least not excessively violent.DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 4 by JP Cusick]
Or you know you could vote instead of killing people.The real solution is in changing the public education into a realistic instrument for educating the students for real life, and that could not be done except by warfare and revolution
And I see it as absurd to think that public education could be significantly improved by voting or by the representatives of our government (State or Federal).
The only true hope would be a massive change of government and the destruction of Capitalism and massive social engineering.
The USA has already gone way to far down the drain of immorality and debauchery.
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Post #13I am not blaming the students in public schools or in the nasty private schools.JoeyKnothead wrote: While I agree too many students just show up to get by, there are many young folks who are proud to attend their publicly funded schools, and who go on to do great things.
Just 'cause they don't get mentioned, or become billionaires, don't mean they ain't doing 'em good for society.
The students are the victims, and as such we all share in their loss.
The schools might be great for our evil society and for society's exploitation of the population and for suppression of the opposition - but it is not well for the student as a person to live healthy and to live ethically productive lives.
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Post #14[Replying to post 12 by JP Cusick]
Sorry not buying your propaganda without evidence to support your claim.
It's true because you declare it so?The schools promote it and empower it and encourage it - so there does not need to be a specific class by that designation
Sorry not buying your propaganda without evidence to support your claim.
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Post #15[Replying to post 12 by JP Cusick]
Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree though your talks of revolution is worrisome.
Evolution is not anti-Christian many Christian Faith's affirm evolution just fine. Then again given the unpatriotic nature of the rest of this post and its firm commitment to theocracy and semi autocratic nature we probably don't have a lot to agree on given that I am a patriotic atheist.The science classes, and teaching evolution is completely unnecessary if the schools are to make students into better citizens.
I really do not like the 1st Amendment and it was a mistake in the first place.
Having free speech and free religion, free press and free to assemble, were always a God given ability, but it was never to be a government enforced right.
The original Constitution was not to have the so called "Bill of Rights" which is why they are called = amendments.
It use to be fairly accurate that the USA was a Christian nation, and as Christians other religions were still welcome, but then the USA under the force of public education decided to exclude Christianity from the school curriculum and so the process of anti God and anti religion began.
Why would any Country teach in its public schools the ideas and ideology which was directly apposed to the population? Answer = There is no justification to do such a thing.
In a Muslim Country we can expect their public schools to teach Islam, in a Hindu Country we can expect their public schools to teach Hinduism, in a Catholic Country we can expect their public schools to teach Catholicism, in a Protestant Country we can expect their public schools to teach the student to be Protestant.
In the USA the public schools teach the students a doctrine which went against their parents, and now we have science and Atheism as our State sponsored religion - without calling it religion.
Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree though your talks of revolution is worrisome.
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Post #16I received a public education. My parents were both educators in the public school system. My brother teaches high school. My sister is a professor at a public university. I am entirely unaware that public education promotes immorality. Please be more specific, what immorality does public education promote?JP Cusick wrote:My view of public education is that it promotes immorality and uncivil ideals so that the benefits are far outweighed by the negatives.
You are aware, aren't you, that a public library is a part of public education?JP Cusick wrote:If a person (any age) uses the public library in a serious and determined way then they can get a far better self education then any public education.
Wow, I must have missed that class! I'll ask my mom if she promoted sexual activity at her school. I've asked my adult son, who also got a public education, if his school promoted sexual activity. He says that they did not. Yes, they teach about sexuality. They teach about some of the variety of sexual experience. They teach about the importance of carefully considering the risks of sexual activity; sexually transmitted diseases, pregnancy, emotional risks.JP Cusick wrote:The worse [sic] is the promotion of sexual activity and sexual deviance.DanieltheDragon wrote:Specifically what immoral and uncivil ideas does public education promote?
A good reason to reform public education; look to Finland as a model but not a reason to abandon public education.JP Cusick wrote:Near to that is the promotion of competition as the governing mentality.
Every public educator that I know is very careful not to teach against any particular religion or any understanding of God. Yes, they promote secularism, but the secularism as expressed in the First Ammendment. The state should not either prohibit nor promote religion.JP Cusick wrote:The schools teach anti God and anti religion, and promote secular humanism.
Agreed, public schools should teach more about civics.JP Cusick wrote:The failure to teach the civil laws or about the Courts is a big problem too.
I fail to see the relevance. It matters not whether an individual can do as well without a public education, but is society better off with public education implemented.JP Cusick wrote:A poor person can make just one million (1M$) and that can take them out of poverty and into prosperity - they do not need to make billions or become President, and so worldly success is available to anyone willing to put forth the effort - and that can be done with or without a public education.
Wow, really?JP Cusick wrote:The problem is that public education is not teaching […] any realistic approach to God or to religion.
Words fail me.JP Cusick wrote:The real solution is in changing the public education into a realistic instrument for educating the students for real life, and that could not be done except by warfare and revolution.
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Post #17I certainly do not want to make any of this into a personal equation.McCulloch wrote: I received a public education. My parents were both educators in the public school system. My brother teaches high school. My sister is a professor at a public university. I am entirely unaware that public education promotes immorality. Please be more specific, what immorality does public education promote?
I do not blame the teachers, as the teachers are told what to teach and can be punished if they fail to teach the requirements, and the teachers are told what they are NOT to teach and they will be punished if they cross that line too.
The school system (public and private) is not a true reflection of the students or the teachers or the public - it has become some kind of inhuman and malignant growth.
In my opinion of course.
I do not see that as accurate.McCulloch wrote: You are aware, aren't you, that a public library is a part of public education?
Libraries were first intended for public education but not as public schools.
And libraries are misleading too as they are so heavy laden with fiction and novels and with low quality books that a person really has to dig through the library to find the truly beneficial material.
Secularism is anti God and anti religion.McCulloch wrote: Every public educator that I know is very careful not to teach against any particular religion or any understanding of God. Yes, they promote secularism, but the secularism as expressed in the First Ammendment. The state should not either prohibit nor promote religion.
And I see the 1st amendment as a huge blot which was forced onto the Constitution, and now there is no way to fix that immoral mistake - except by overthrowing the gov.
Our society is notorious for taking healthy wholesome human activity and turning them into immoral garbage, and so yes society needs public education, but the public education we have now is corrupt and incurable.McCulloch wrote: I fail to see the relevance. It matters not whether an individual can do as well without a public education, but is society better off with public education implemented.
The students are exploited by the State and by Capitalism while the person(s) are trampled under.
It actually talks about this kind of phenomenon in the Bible as being a curse = Deuteronomy 28:15-46
Well this particular section of this forum is for "Politics and Religion" and that makes a difference in what we might say.
I do not really promote violent revolution or warfare, and it is possible to have a non violent rebellion to force improvements, but I can not foresee any non violent reform of the old system happening in the USA.
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