The federal government's response to COVID-19

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The federal government's response to COVID-19

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To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?

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Dear @historia and @Elijah John:
Yes to both. Yes we need leadership for all people and parties with different priorities
and jobs to do to address both the pandemic and the economic and political responses and demands.

However, this doesn't mean polarizing this politically as all for or all against.
What I believe America needs is a coalition or parliamentary type of govt approach,
by bringing together leaders and representation of ALL PARTIES to work together.
In order to address EACH AND EVERY angle that demands equal and full attention.

Please see chart attached that someone posted on Facebook.
These 3 areas are all equally urgent and affecting the public interests:
* medical, economic and political. * ALL THREE, not either or, not
one being the real issue and the others are "fake." (personally I
would address the medical first, then base the economic reforms
around meeting those demands, and base political representation
on how people address the other two areas to govern their districts)

Then because of different problems we already had that weren't being
addressed due to partisan conflicts, we have AT LEAST 3 more
additional issues of political bias and conflicts over:
* media bias excluding the conservative concerns
* media bias excluding liberal concerns for health care services and protections for all
* media bias excluding indigenous and environmental issues sidelined by other emergencies

Please see second chart below, where I added these issues in between the first three.

As for @historia's concern about media bias against Trump,
he doesn't need any additional help, but does enough on his own to shoot himself
in the foot while, at the same time, cramming both feet in his mouth. So there
is no room to eat his words, even if he wanted to! He has already rallied opposition
from other conservative media hosts who normally agree with him, because he
went "too far" with the policing of free speech, which all the pundits on his side
OPPOSE as blatantly unconstitutional. He does this to himself with or without
liberal media or political bias against him!

Where I WOULD SAY the liberal bias is dangerous is SKEWING
and CENSORING medical information, so this loses credibility with the public.
THAT is dangerous medically and is depriving people legally of protections for their health.

I WOULD argue to defend medical science from being censored and politicized in the media!
The solution I propose is to connect media hosts DIRECTLY with medical consultants
and bypass the politics. Work out economic support for medical precautions and response
DIRECTLY with each precinct or district, bypassing the city county or federal if necessary,
and start educating and training people and communities DIRECTLY to manage their own response
and resources needed to serve and protect their residents.

Again, the order I would address these priorities is medical policy first,
then shape economic supply and demand and stable worksites around that,
and then make sure political representation follows what the people enforce as their policies
protecting the interests of their districts democratically.

It will take ALL PARTIES to coordinate representation for people across districts and states.
I suggest Trump and other contenders for President create enough jobs for all these
leaders to serve those sectors who relate to the same plans and approaches.
And implement each and every program that people need, including all diverse approaches
instead of "competing" in conflict to impose one or deny another. Address ALL of them
in order to represent the diverse populations and demands of the entire nation!

historia wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:41 pm
Elijah John wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 9:59 am
historia wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 12:41 am
Elijah John wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:31 pm
Anyone the Democrats put up, or would put up would be worse, not better. They would ruin the country with contempt for law enforcement, authoritarian edicts, identity politics, unfettered immigration, reparations, abortion on demand, "gender theory" education which usurps parental rights , severe infringements on free speech, free health care and safety net benefits for illegal aliens, an unaffordable and very impractical "green new deal", weak national defense, surrendering American sovereignty to foreign entities and organizations, international trade treaties which put Americans at a disadvantage, etc, etc.
Have you considered the possibility that the media sources you are consuming have a vested interest in painting politicians on the other side of the aisle as being far more radical than they actually are precisely to discourage you from voting for them?
Sounds like you're taking about CNN. That's what CNN does.
I don't watch cable news. But I have no doubt that left-wing political commentators on CNN paint Republican politicians as being more extreme than they really are in order to discourage people from voting for them.

Consider, for example, what they did to Mitt Romney in 2012. Romney is a good, decent man and a moderate Republican, who would have been a capable president. But, during that election, many Obama supporters made him out to be some kind of far-right business oligarch who would have ushered in a Hands-Maid-Tale-like dystopia had he been elected. That was nothing but left-wing fearmongering.

Likewise, the assertion that Joe Biden will "ruin the country" because he would supposedly bring about a gender-queer, no-borders, socialist revolution -- as you are suggesting above -- sounds an awful lot like the cooked-up attacks on Romney from eight years ago. That's just right-wing fearmongering, this time being perpetrated by Trump supporters on right-leaning media outlets.
Elijah John wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 10:48 am
And do you want to go down that road with Joe Biden? Stupid comments? I agree that most of them are not malevolent like Trump's was, but still...
Would I rather have a president who occasionally says dumb things than one who maliciously spreads conspiracy theories that erode the public trust?

Without question.
Elijah John wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 9:59 am
In spite of Trump's objectional personality, I will hold my nose and vote for him again. He, at least, has (mostly) sensible, common sense policies
You can vote for whoever you like, of course. But I would add two additional variables to your voting calculus here.

First, the President needs to be a moral leader during times of crisis.

As we speak, 100,000 Americans have already died from a pandemic (with more to come), the economy is crashing, racial tensions are high, and several American cities are literally on fire. Rather than try to calm the nation, all Trump can think to do is stoke the flames with incendiary comments, because he apparently has only one mode: partisan political fighter. That is terrible for the social fabric.

Second, Trump's considerable character flaws (not just his 'personality') could have long-term negative repercussions for the Republican Party.

Many suburban voters (and, in particular, suburban women) are appalled by his behavior, and that drove large numbers of them in the 2018 mid-terms to vote against the party that put him in power. We're seeing a similar trend in the early 2020 polls.

In the long-term, then, Trump could hurt the policy objectives you want to see by turning a generation of reliable suburban voters away from the Republican party. The sooner he is out of power, the sooner Republicans can stop the bleeding.
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Unlike liberal President Truman who took responsbility for everything that took place during his years in the White House, right winger Trump takes no responsiblity for his recklessness. There are plenty of news videos which show that he, at first, was dismissive of the viral threat:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... s+on+virus


As shown above, video after video prove my point.


Further, the liberal Obama administration created a playbook in dealing with the threat:

https://tinyurl.com/y7m5qgd7


The conservative Trump regime dismissed it completely. He failed to create any preventive system that would have diminished the impact of the plague. Because of that the blood of thousands of Americans are in his hands. Yes, it's always fashionable and politically correct to blame liberals for the mess we see today. But the responsibility for the puny response to the viral threat goes squarely to Trump and the right wing.

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bjs wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:54 pm To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
They have not. Since they've let all this protest happen now we're seeing a spike in cases and over 19 States. I think we should ban all protest or at least ones that involve large groups of people.

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AgnosticBoy wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:00 am
They have not. Since they've let all this protest happen now we're seeing a spike in cases and over 19 States. I think we should ban all protest or at least ones that involve large groups of people.

Previously I linked to proof that the government did that during the 1918 plague. This proves government has the constitutional authority to do so. And I agree with you that it should have curtailed much of these protests (both anti mask and anti racism rallies) in the interest of public good. Of course, it should have done so in a dignified and restrained manner. Sad that the government violated the law as in the videos I showed. Hopefully, the law will catch up with those violators and avert any future violations.

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AgnosticBoy wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:29 am
bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
In the US, there has been some inconsistencies in the president's plan. The president also underreacted which cause some delays in testing and response. However, with all that said, even if he was on top of everything, that would not have completely prevented this virus.
I think if the Federal Government acted properly, maybe 30 to 40% of the deaths would have been avoided. That's only 30 to 40 thousand people.. so far.
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The government doesn’t give a f*ck about covid situation. They have full money pockets, and they are good with it. Yeah, I'm already tired of this whole situation with the covid. For a year and a half it is no longer possible to walk freely, eat in restaurants, communicate with people, travel abroad and so on. But this is still nothing compared to the fact that for some individuals the rules do not matter. I say like that because recently I’ve read a story about politician Derek Fildebrandt having a quiet lunch at a restaurant with some other politicians and ministers during covid-19. I think that if everything leaves like now, we will live with corona for many years and then new viruses will be spread, stronger and more dangerous.

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The government has a vested interest in ensuring the tax base doesn't die off and quit it all that tax basing. As well, politicians have a vested interest in ensuring their voters are alive to vote. Only don't it beat all "my freedoms" have so many Republican governors doing their best to die off their own most faithful voters.
They have full money pockets, and they are good with it.
Then why do they seek to keep the tax base from quiting them abeing it?
Yeah, I'm already tired of this whole situation with the covid.
Some got so tired of it, they died em from it.

Of course we're nigh all tired of this mess, but dangitall, flitting about without masks and vaxxes ain't gonna fix it.
For a year and a half it is no longer possible to walk freely, eat in restaurants, communicate with people, travel abroad and so on.
Part of the problem here is all them folks who think the walking freely, the eating in the restaurants, the communicating with people, and the travelling abroad is more important than trying to get this thing under control.

Look up the numbers. See where the biggest problems are. Nevermind, I'll tell ya, it's in the states that have Republican governors and other leaders who turn a blind eye to science. To the point they remove qualified gov / med professionals who'd dare promote sound medical advice.
But this is still nothing compared to the fact that for some individuals the rules do not matter.
It is a shame that some folks reject the very precautions they put forth. Such should not excuse those who think a mask is just it too danged much to ask.
I say like that because recently I’ve read a story about politician Derek Fildebrandt having a quiet lunch at a restaurant with some other politicians and ministers during covid-19. I think that if everything leaves like now, we will live with corona for many years and then new viruses will be spread, stronger and more dangerous.
There's also the reports of antimaskers and antivaxxers who vehemently opposed medically sound advice, right up 'til they got put in the ground. And the horse medicine whisperers.

We will most assuredly live with covid for a long time to come as long as vast swaths of the planet refuse to take precautions.
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