JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:06 am
So, you'd cave to folks who'd steal and murder your pets, now you'd cave to Christians demanding you spread their message, or pay a fine - and that's what it is, a fine.
I remain consistent in saying the law is probably wrong. Those who deface their license plates to remove the message, even if this is illegal, I would support them as being moral.
I just don't think the law should give the same kind of coddling and walking on eggshells and perpetually bending over backwards to atheists as religious people need. Let them have their special separate school meals on our dime. Let them have the law lick their boots for them. Leave the crying and whining about being exposed to things one doesn't like to them. Let us atheists take our medicine in silence. It honestly bothers me that anyone would complain about this, which now has me complaining about the complaining, and thus taking part in it.
Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:16 am
Purple Knight wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:56 pm
And since as atheists we don't believe in any spiritual baloney we're welcome to lie and say we're Christians.
Wow. That's a definition of atheists I've not heard before. Those who are welcome to lie. I thought it was those who lack belief in god/gods. I've never lied and said that I'm a Christian nor would I. Perhaps one's willingness to lie has nothing to do with being an atheist. Just a hunch on my part.
I didn't define an atheist as welcome to lie, I just said we are welcome to lie. As in, we're not going to Hell for lying. I also didn't say we should; it's up to each of us.
Freedom of conscience was created so religious people don't have to serve two masters. Presumably it has something to do with the fact that they think they are going to Hell
if they disobey their spiritual master and follow the law.
Our consciences are just that - our consciences. They stand alone and have exactly as much value as we give them. If you think not being a theist tool is worth $25, pay it. If you think it's worth your life, be a martyr if the opportunity arises. My post simply pointed out that we don't think there is anything else at stake - no punishment frying pan and fire where we're punished no matter what we do. We can be expected to follow rules even if we don't like them, or break them and suffer the mortal consequences. Religious people think their immortal souls are at stake so I imagine they're much more bothered and they need special exceptions. Arguably the law must
make way for them if their Bible says not to do all sorts of things the law forces and then says follow the law, which it actually does.