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Replying to DrNoGods in post #6]

You're missing the point. The Talkorigins paper was about probabilities, not reaction rates. The probability calculation does not consider what the composition of the background is. It simply uses the probability of 20 things assembling into 32-segment long other things as if the process were entirely random. (there are not just twenty there, the twenty are in a set of 500) If the medium is liquid water and the concentrations of the various amino acids is small in comparison (whether 20 or 500 amino acids among a much larger sea of H2O molecules), the probability of a collision between any of the 20 amino acids would be the same if all of the molecules were treated as billiard balls for a probability calculation as they were in the article. Remember, the Talkorigins paper was refuting the creationist statistical argument that is based purely on probabilities and ignoring things like reaction rates, chemical preferences, etc. ... they try to paint the picture that everything is completely random and can be represented purely by statistical probabilities in order to arrive at their unrealistic numbers.(Who said reaction rates and chemical preference were not part of the creationist argument?)

The reaction rate is all about probability. Like, the probability of a Cl ion colliding with Al. The creationist argument is all about reaction rates and chemical preferences.

If what you are saying above is true, then you are trying to argue that the number of HCl formula units does not matter in a solution. Basically, that concentration does not matter. How can you say that? I messed up my concentration calculation up above it is only a 2 order of magnitude difference. So that is like a .15 M solution compared to a 15 M solution. How can you say that the number of particles does not matter? Many of the reactions that are done in labs are mixed with water to slow the reaction down by decreasing the number of particles available for the reaction. There is no possible way that a 32 segment long change of the 20 amino acids could be linked together without reacting with one of the other 480 amino acids in the solution. In fact, all of the 20 amino acids would be used up to react with the 480 other amino acids before they could ever react with each other.

All of this does not even matter because the Earth never did have a reducing atmosphere.