Dinosaur tracks in the Paluxy riverbed.

[Tcg]

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The Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas has dried to the point of revealing dinosaur tracks, again. This time apparently to the point that previously undiscovered tracks have been found. This caught my attention because in the 1930s, some creationists claimed that human tracks were found there in the same rock level as dinosaur tracks. It was later determined that they weren't human tracks and there was some evidence that the tracks may have been modified to more closely resemble human tracks.

This article provides some of the issues:

Paluxy Man -- The Creationist Piltdown

Creationists, by citing examples of fossils that are supposed to be in the wrong order for evolution, often try to prove that the geological time scale is in error. In particular, they claim that human footprints have been found in rocks containing traces of dinosaurs and other animals that died out millions of years before humans actually appeared on the earth. As we shall see, however, these alleged footprints are either natural objects that have nothing to do with humans or are deliberate frauds. On the whole, the leading creationist authors are intelligent and sincere, but it seems that they have a very strong will to believe when it comes to defending their model.

https://ncse.ngo/paluxy-man-creationist-piltdown

The Piltdown Man is often presented as a reason to mistrust science, but are there any scientists today who don't accept that it was a fraud?

Are there any creationists today who still accept the human footprint claim and if so, what does that say about science's ability to correct and reject false claims compared to the creationist approach?


Tcg

[Tcg]

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The Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas has dried to the point of revealing dinosaur tracks, again. This time apparently to the point that previously undiscovered tracks have been found. This caught my attention because in the 1930s, some creationists claimed that human tracks were found there in the same rock level as dinosaur tracks. It was later determined that they weren't human tracks and there was some evidence that the tracks may have been modified to more closely resemble human tracks.

What is the source of this "apparently" claim? what was it that [recently?] caught your attention?

Here's one source.

Yep. The source you've provided even includes a fascinating picture of the tracks:



I used to be fascinated by deer tracks I found in the sand of the New Jersey pine barrens, and they were usually only a few days old. These are 113 million years old. Wow! I'd love to see them.


Tcg

[JoeyKnothead]

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The Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas has dried to the point of revealing dinosaur tracks, again. This time apparently to the point that previously undiscovered tracks have been found. This caught my attention because in the 1930s, some creationists claimed that human tracks were found there in the same rock level as dinosaur tracks. It was later determined that they weren't human tracks and there was some evidence that the tracks may have been modified to more closely resemble human tracks.

What is the source of this "apparently" claim? what was it that [recently?] caught your attention?

Here's one source.

Yep. The source you've provided even includes a fascinating picture of the tracks:



I used to be fascinated by deer tracks I found in the sand of the New Jersey pine barrens, and they were usually only a few days old. These are 113 million years old. Wow! I'd love to see them.


Tcg

I hear ya. Amazing they could be preserved for so long.

[JoeyKnothead]

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The Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas has dried to the point of revealing dinosaur tracks, again. This time apparently to the point that previously undiscovered tracks have been found. This caught my attention because in the 1930s, some creationists claimed that human tracks were found there in the same rock level as dinosaur tracks. It was later determined that they weren't human tracks and there was some evidence that the tracks may have been modified to more closely resemble human tracks.

What is the source of this "apparently" claim? what was it that [recently?] caught your attention?

This is what caught my attention: "The Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas has dried to the point of revealing dinosaur tracks, again.

No mystery there. It's the sentence previous to the one you bolded.


Tcg

[Tcg]

I hear ya. Amazing they could be preserved for so long.

To explain further, when I was in Bible college in the early 80s, I worked in the audio taping booth in our chapel when either John C. Whitcomb or Henry M. Morris of ICR (Institute for Creation Research) presented a seminar on "Creation Science." Whichever it was presented the assertion that human footprints had been found in the same strata as dinosaur tracks in the Paluxy reverbed. They presented it as if it were the smoking gun that disproved evolution. So of course, when I saw the Paluxy river mentioned in national news, it piqued my interest.

There is a brief article on this on the ICR website. Apparently, the history goes back to 1909 when a young boy found "human footprints" next to some odd looking three toed tracks. Most of the time the water is so deep that the tracks can't be seen. ICR has back tracked on the earlier claim that the tracks prove humans lived at the same time as dinosaurs but suggests that perhaps they really were human tracks that were seen by that boy and other locals, but that erosion has washed them away. Maybe, odd however that the dinosaur prints haven't suffered the same fate. Guided erosion perhaps so as to not violate our freewill.


Tcg

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #34]

This video from 2020 answers at least one of my O.P questions, unless this dude has changed his mind since, yes, some creationists still claim that the footprints found in the Paluxy riverbed were human:



How many evolutionists, though I hate that term, still claim the Piltdown Man was valid evidence of evolution?


Tcg

[Inquirer]

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The Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas has dried to the point of revealing dinosaur tracks, again. This time apparently to the point that previously undiscovered tracks have been found. This caught my attention because in the 1930s, some creationists claimed that human tracks were found there in the same rock level as dinosaur tracks. It was later determined that they weren't human tracks and there was some evidence that the tracks may have been modified to more closely resemble human tracks.

What is the source of this "apparently" claim? what was it that [recently?] caught your attention?

This is what caught my attention: "The Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas has dried to the point of revealing dinosaur tracks, again." No mystery there. It's the sentence previous to the one you bolded.

Tcg

I asked you what the source of the news was not what the news was.

[JoeyKnothead]

I asked you what the source of the news was not what the news was.

So there's no fuss about the news, but about who reported it?

[Tcg]

I asked you what the source of the news was not what the news was.

I'd love to answer your question, but abiding by the rule you established in post #24, I can't answer your questions until you answer mine. And the two I asked appear in the O.P. so until you address them, we are at a standstill. Bummer huh?


Tcg

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Inquirer in post #9]

... so let me ask you, anyone here who claim to know about reality - is spacetime really curved?

It is curved by definition ... in the vicinity of massive bodies. What do you mean by "really" in this context? Is brown hair really brown? What's the point?

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #1]

The history of the Paluxy riverbed and the supposed human tracks reveal the extent some will go to in order to support their view of reality. Some not only interpreted the evidence incorrectly but even modified the evidence to support their conclusion that evolution is fallacious:

The Rise and Fall of the Paluxy Mantracks

Despite the years of work by Bird and other scientists which suggested the variety of shapes into which dinosaur tracks could be eroded or distorted, and despite the fact-that Burdick's carvings were indicative of other carvings that local Glen Rose residents were known to have carved during the years of the Depression and beyond, the mantrack claims apparently lived on among creationists upon the basis of local testimony which described the curious isolated depressions and some trails as "mantracks." Apparently any oblong depression of roughly human proportions, natural or carved, was considered human by early anti-evolutionary mantrack enthusiasts.

https://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1988/PSCF ... tings.html

The proper approach is of course to examine the evidence and let the evidence lead to the conclusion. Is the evidence against evolution so non-existent that creationists have to manufacture it?


Tcg