The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally

[Diogenes]

The proposition for debate is that when one takes the tales of Genesis literally, one becomes intellectually disabled, at least temporarily. Taking Genesis literally requires one to reject biology (which includes evolution) and other sciences in favor of 'magic.' Geology and radiometric dating have to be rejected since the Earth formed only about 6000 years ago, during the same week the Earth was made (in a single day).

Much of the debate in the topic of Science and Religion consists of theists who insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis rejecting basic science. Most of the resulting debates are not worth engaging in.

[dad1]

Not believing the legitimate news reports is consistent with not believing mainstream science.

Who stamps a news source as legitimate? That is insane. CNN? Infowars? You do not get to decide what is true or false.

Such a stance allows you to believe whatever you want, unpersuaded by reality

You notion that reality is limited to your propaganda outlets of choice is comical.

but beholden to ancient myth and hucksters like Trump who clearly tried to lead an insurrection designed to obstruct a lawful election and the fair and normal transfer of power.

He could at least read his lines most of the time find his way around a stage.

Five of them were just convicted, beyond reasonable doubt, and are looking at up to 20 years in prison.

Russia also used to have show trials...so?

But your concern is more about abortion and your refusal to accept that nature makes some people not fit the simple male/female categories.

That does seem to be a deciding factor in world views these days.

[brunumb]

Such a view of what the windows of heaven were is insulting to the bible
The windows were some sort of openings in the sky that allowed water to pass through. There was water up there, on the other side of the stars. The firmament was the place where He made the stars and it separated waters below here from the waters on the other side of it. Therefore, I deduce that these portals somehow were a bit like what science imagines wormholes to be. A way to bypass space and time basically and connect areas.

Oh......Dear......Zeus......
Openings in the sky? Water on the other side of the stars? As far as I'm concerned, such a view is actually more insulting to human intelligence. But then I haven't considered that you might be able to provide some supporting evidence for those wild claims. Can you?

[The Barbarian]

This is why you can't let yourself get caught up in fact-checking allegories; you miss the whole point, as you did this time.

Any pretense of being able to check where and when wormholes over earth in the sky opened and closed thousands of years ago is a joke.

As I said, you're trying to find a way to support your assumption of a literal history in Genesis, and thereby missing the entire point of the creation story. It's not about imaginary wormholes.

[Jose Fly]

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that abortion and created gender (male and female as opposed to anything else) were bigger issues. Since media is not believable any more, I would take the events of that day with a grain of salt. There are many claims that there were provocateurs that were agitating and leading the group that went to the capitol area. I don't think it is fair or 'history' to pretend that possibly a majority of the US voters had anything to do with that. As for election cheating, that is an issue. Here we seem to have a similar debilitating effect on the life hating liberals that swallow cheap propaganda and slander whole.

Wow.

I guess he grabbed you by yours.

Crank Magnetism

[dad1]

Such a view of what the windows of heaven were is insulting to the bible
The windows were some sort of openings in the sky that allowed water to pass through. There was water up there, on the other side of the stars. The firmament was the place where He made the stars and it separated waters below here from the waters on the other side of it. Therefore, I deduce that these portals somehow were a bit like what science imagines wormholes to be. A way to bypass space and time basically and connect areas.

Oh......Dear......Zeus......
Openings in the sky? Water on the other side of the stars? As far as I'm concerned, such a view is actually more insulting to human intelligence. But then I haven't considered that you might be able to provide some supporting evidence for those wild claims. Can you?

In other words you do not believe it. Fine. You have no way to check so that is blind unbelief.

[dad1]

As I said, you're trying to find a way to support your assumption of a literal history in Genesis, and thereby missing the entire point of the creation story. It's not about imaginary wormholes.

You can call the windows in the sky that brought flood waters anything you like. But you seem to be insinuating that the whole point of God's record of the beginning is that it is all not true in any real way?

In actual fact the point is that man is supposed to believe it.

[dad1]

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that abortion and created gender (male and female as opposed to anything else) were bigger issues. Since media is not believable any more, I would take the events of that day with a grain of salt. There are many claims that there were provocateurs that were agitating and leading the group that went to the capitol area. I don't think it is fair or 'history' to pretend that possibly a majority of the US voters had anything to do with that. As for election cheating, that is an issue. Here we seem to have a similar debilitating effect on the life hating liberals that swallow cheap propaganda and slander whole.

Wow.

I guess he grabbed you by yours.

Crank Magnetism

Another word for this is delusion.

An example of this is people blindly trusting science for origins, or people thinking there was not any election cheating in the US, or that the proven false media is gospel...etc.

[The Barbarian]

As I said, you're trying to find a way to support your assumption of a literal history in Genesis, and thereby missing the entire point of the creation story. It's not about imaginary wormholes.

You can call the windows in the sky that brought flood waters anything you like.

For you, they are distractions, imaginary things that you focus on, instead of the message God has for you.

But you seem to be insinuating that the whole point of God's record of the beginning is that it is all not true in any real way?

It's true. Your additions to His words are not true.

[Diogenes]

Not believing the legitimate news reports is consistent with not believing mainstream science.

Who stamps a news source as legitimate? That is insane. CNN? Infowars? You do not get to decide what is true or false.

No, the truth decides that. The fact is all the major news sources: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NPR, BBC and even Fox News basic news report the same facts. It's Fox News commentators like *ucker Carlsen, Hannity, and Ingram who promote falsehoods, pandering to right wing Christian Nationalists that are the outliers and out right liars. That they tell you what you want to hear does not make them truth tellers.

[Diagoras]

The windows were some sort of openings in the sky that allowed water to pass through. There was water up there, on the other side of the stars. The firmament was the place where He made the stars and it separated waters below here from the waters on the other side of it. Therefore, I deduce <…>

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Might need a bit more work on Premises 1 and 2 there, before you get to the deducing part…