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Currently, I am doing what was suggested by some on these forums.
I am researching information both for, and against evolution, and trust me - I am doing so objectively.
While I am still researching, I want to put this out, to hear the different views on it.

During my research I discovered that lately, just over the last decade or so, a lot of informations has been surfacing about fake fossils.
In fact it has now become common place for fossils sold at museums to be checked for genuineness.
I find this interesting.

Why now, is this happening?
Could it be that evidence as it always does, is now surfacing?

For example
Remember the dinosaur hoax - the one that was said to be put together using different bones?
It has recently been found out that it wasn't a hoax after all.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/02/ ... ecies.html

That is quite interesting.

The fossils aren't the only things that were/are claimed to be fake.
There are the drawings, and pictures as well.
Right now, I am going through a very long document considered a case against some of Darwins picture illustrations.
But have you ever come across this one?

Pictures from the past powerfully shape current views of the world. In books, television programs, and websites, new images appear alongside others that have survived from decades ago. Among the most famous are drawings of embryos by the Darwinist Ernst Haeckel in which humans and other vertebrates begin identical, then diverge toward their adult forms. But these icons of evolution are notorious, too: soon after their publication in 1868, a colleague alleged fraud, and Haeckel’s many enemies have repeated the charge ever since. His embryos nevertheless became a textbook staple until, in 1997, a biologist accused him again, and creationist advocates of intelligent design forced his figures out. How could the most controversial pictures in the history of science have become some of the most widely seen?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haec ... eks4-6.jpg
English: The pictures illustrate Ernst Haeckel's biogenetic law. In the beginning embryos of different species look remarkable similar, later different characteristics develop. The images initiated controversies and charges of fraud.

All of this lends to a possibility.
Consdering the fact that fossils can be faked, we must accept the fact that Darwin, and other scientists could have lied.

My question here, isn't whether he did lie or not, but rather, Does this not place evolutionists in the same position as the Christians they claim are believing in fables?

Consider:
Christians accept the Bible, as the word of God.
Here are just a few facts about the Bible.
With estimated total sales of over 5 billion copies, the Bible is widely considered to be the best-selling book of all time.
It has estimated annual sales of 100 million copies.
It has been a major influence on literature and history, especially in the West where the Gutenberg Bible was the first mass-printed book.
It was the first book ever printed using movable type.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

Archaeological findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls, also called the Qumran Caves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

The evidence is there however, that the book we hold in our hand today (the Bible), contains information written centuries ago.

Atheist call the book fables - the reason I have yet to find out.
Maybe one of the reasons is that they have not seen God, or seen him write any book - whatever.
So they claim that Christians' belief in them and what they present is blind faith, and belief in stories.

However, is this not the case with those who accept the theory of evolution, where all they have to go by, is what scientists claim to be evidence?

By the way...
No one, to this day have seen them recreate the theories.
Any data they give you on species, is usually what already existed (at least what I have come across so far).
As regards other claims, all we have are pictures, and claimed fossils, which could have been edited.

So evolutionists are really believing what men claim - without any substantial proof of their claim.
How is this different to believing a book?

And what if Darwin, and others lied?


I'm just interested in you different opinions and thoughts, on the above.
Here is a nice short video of someone's opinion. Reasonable too.
John 8:32
. . .the truth will set you free.

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[Replying to Donray]

On the other hand, the Bible is supposed to be a ladder you take to get to heaven.
While you are climbing those aspiring heights, just how many rungs of those ladder need to be false and break?

How much of a bridge needs to be missing before you can't cross?
How much of the Bible needs to be wrong before you don't get to heaven?

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Gday Kenisaw,

How patient you can be :)
theStudent wrote: The big-bang model is based on two assumptions.
Kenisaw wrote: Awesome! Why stop at mixing two separate scientific theories in one post. You've added a third, unrelated topic to stir in with the first two. Well done you.
Creationism 101 :
The Big Bang, the Creation of Life, and Evolution - are all basically about the same thing.

Also :
Evolution is wrong because probability proves the first cell could not have formed randomly.

Evolution is wrong because we have never seen a fish turn into cattle (I heard this one here just recently :) )

etc.


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Kapyong wrote: Gday Kenisaw,

How patient you can be :)
theStudent wrote: The big-bang model is based on two assumptions.
Kenisaw wrote: Awesome! Why stop at mixing two separate scientific theories in one post. You've added a third, unrelated topic to stir in with the first two. Well done you.
Creationism 101 :
The Big Bang, the Creation of Life, and Evolution - are all basically about the same thing.

Also :
Evolution is wrong because probability proves the first cell could not have formed randomly.
I'd like too see your sums. Keep in mind that prospective and retrospective statistics are not one and the same.
Kapyong wrote:
Evolution is wrong because we have never seen a fish turn into cattle (I heard this one here just recently :) )

etc.


Kapyong
There are many things that are not wrong that you have no seen. There are also many strawmen that just waste everyone's time.

In the case of cattle (for that matter for all terrestrial quadrupeds and their derivatives) it is rather easy to anatomically see their "inner fish."

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