Scientific Method is useless in religion and or philosophy?

[paarsurrey1]

Scientific Method is useless in religion and or philosophy. Isn't it? Please
Regards

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 47 by paarsurrey1]

Start out by trying to get the religionists to agree on any of those things, you can't even do that. But that was not the question, you are ignoring the issue and obfusticating, science does not pretend the supernatural is anything but a pretense.

Isn't it an admission that science has not changed or affected the basics- the articles of faith of the truthful Religion?

Science has also not affected the pillars of the truthful Religion:

Kalima
Prayer
Fasting
Zakaat
Hajj
https://www.alislam.org/

Right, please?
Regards

[Neatras]

[Replying to post 51 by paarsurrey1]

Truthfulness and stubbornness should not be equivocated; you using loaded language, asserting that the religion, is not persuasive; that religion is true simply because science has not changed or affected the basics can instead be shown as a demonstration of willful stubbornness on the part of religious adherents. Where prayer has been shown to be ineffective, or even less effective than placebo in some cases, religious adherents continue to claim that prayer is effective due to personal anecdotes, and a driven and personal demand to assert that prayer works regardless of whether or not it truly does. This is faith. This is why religions aren't effective due to truthfulness, but due to persuasive and manipulative tactics stretching back far longer than any religion you could possibly adhere to.

[H.sapiens]

[Replying to post 47 by paarsurrey1]

Start out by trying to get the religionists to agree on any of those things, you can't even do that. But that was not the question, you are ignoring the issue and obfusticating, science does not pretend the supernatural is anything but a pretense.

Isn't it an admission that science has not changed or affected the basics- the articles of faith of the truthful Religion?

Science has also not affected the pillars of the truthful Religion:

Kalima
Prayer
Fasting
Zakaat
Hajj
https://www.alislam.org/

Right, please?
Regards

That's because four or your five pillars are irrelevant to reality. Only zakaat has a reasonable and demonstrable usefulness.

[marco]

Science has also not affected the pillars of the truthful Religion:

Kalima
Prayer
Fasting
Zakaat

Why would science get involved with this? Zakaat, given to those in need, is not something peculiar to Islam. We see Christian charities all over the world and those with no faith volunteer to help their neighbours.

Of course there's a compelling reason to pay, as we read in the Koran:


“And there are those who hoard gold and silver and do not spend it in the way of Allah , announce to them a most grievous penalty (when) on the Day of Qiyaamah heat will be produced out of that wealth in the fire of Jahannam, then with it they will be branded on their foreheads and their flanks and backs. (It will be said to them). This is the treasure which you hoarded for yourselves, taste then the treasure that you had been hoarding�.


Surah At Tawbah 9:34

This is the 21st century! And we want to brand dead bodies! Science has moved us on. Religion can hold folk captive in the early centuries. Kalima is similar to the Christian Divine Praises -"Blessed be God, Blessed be his holy name etc." but reminding God how good he is, daily, doesn't help humanity. If instead we said: "Let's help our neighbour; let's stop war," we might achieve something by carrying out our intentions.
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[Kevin Cross]

[Replying to post 10 by Bust Nak]

I agree with Bust Nak. Science is a philosophy- the belief that one can discover truth through a systematic approach of deciding on a hypothesis, testing it under certain conditions, analyzing data, and coming up with a certain result. It is a belief or philosophy. All one has to do is read some books such as the following: Science and Religion: A New Introduction 2nd Edition; Invitation to the Psychology of Religion, Third Edition 3rd Edition; and Fearfully and Wonderfully Made. Science can answer how religion affects people, but it does not answer why things are the way they are or other metaphysical issues. Nevertheless, science and religion are compatible with each other, not at odds like
paarsurrey1 thinks.

[Aetixintro]

One only needs to ask: where's the experiment? Where's the experiment?

However, as in science, one can indeed make a kind of discoveries in religious thought and philosophy... Keep looking! Keep researching! Keep up the good work!

Cheers!

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 10 by Bust Nak]

I agree with Bust Nak. Science is a philosophy- the belief that one can discover truth through a systematic approach of deciding on a hypothesis, testing it under certain conditions, analyzing data, and coming up with a certain result. It is a belief or philosophy. All one has to do is read some books such as the following: Science and Religion: A New Introduction 2nd Edition; Invitation to the Psychology of Religion, Third Edition 3rd Edition; and Fearfully and Wonderfully Made. Science can answer how religion affects people, but it does not answer why things are the way they are or other metaphysical issues. Nevertheless, science and religion are compatible with each other, not at odds like
paarsurrey1 thinks.

Nevertheless, science and religion are compatible with each other, not at odds like paarsurrey1 thinks.

I never said that religion and science are at odds. Did I, please?
I only say that the "Scientific Method", as is known generally, changes its shape in religion due to being different in nature. Nevertheless, Science and Religion support one another, please.

Regards

[marco]

Nevertheless, Science and Religion support one another, please.

Not always, paarsurrey. "Doctor, can you bring Lazarus back to life? His body is already decaying." Answer: "No. This cannot be done."

"Jesus, can you bring Lazarus back to life?" Answer: "Yes, by saying a few words. Watch me."


Miracles often run counter to scientific knowledge. Religion ignores science and usually science ignores religion.

[paarsurrey1]

Nevertheless, Science and Religion support one another, please.

Not always, paarsurrey. "Doctor, can you bring Lazarus back to life? His body is already decaying." Answer: "No. This cannot be done."

"Jesus, can you bring Lazarus back to life?" Answer: "Yes, by saying a few words. Watch me."


Miracles often run counter to scientific knowledge. Religion ignores science and usually science ignores religion.

"Doctor, can you bring Lazarus back to life? His body is already decaying." Answer: "No. This cannot be done."

Lazarus was in comma and in near-dead position, with treatment of the physician Jesus and his prayers , Lazarus was cured.
So, neither religion is wrong nor science is wrong, both support one another. Right, please?
Regards

[marco]

Lazarus was in comma and in near-dead position, with treatment of the physician Jesus and his prayers , Lazarus was cured.
So, neither religion is wrong nor science is wrong, both support one another. Right, please?
Regards

We are re-writing the story. Lazarus was already a stinking corpse, not a man in a comma.

The non-religious reading would be that Jesus was performing some symbolic ceremony on a young man to initiate him and thus "raise him to life" metaphorically. We would still have to ignore what was written regarding the state of decay.

If one believes in God, one has no problem with a literal rising from the dead.