Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is

[paarsurrey1]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

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[paarsurrey1]

Hitchens wrote: "religion is man-made".page-10 of the book "God is not Great".

Paarsurrey says : To say religion is man-made would be as wrong as to say that the Universe is man-made. Universe (the Work of God) and Word of God are put like a mirror against one another; they reflect one another as they are from the same source – the Creator God.

It will be considered totally out of place and sheer irrational if one says that the universe is man-made; the same way it will be sheer wrong to say that truthful-religion or the Word Revealed is man-made.

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[Divine Insight]

It will be considered totally out of place and sheer irrational if one says that the universe is man-made; the same way it will be sheer wrong to say that truthful-religion or the Word Revealed is man-made.

There is no such thing as a truthful-religion.

All religions are faith-based. That is to say that to place your faith in them is wishful thinking.

No religion has ever been shown to be truthful.

Certain specific religions can be demonstrated to be clearly false. All the Abrahamic religions fall into that category. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all clearly false religions. There can be no doubt about this because the mythological tales they are based upon can be shown to be necessarily false.

There are a few religions that are extremely difficult to demonstrate to be necessarily false. Those would be the pantheistic or panentheistic religions. This is because these religions don't make claims that are demonstrably false like the Abrahamic religions do. Of course this doesn't make the pantheistic religions false.

Moreover, even the pantheistic religions are still "man-made". They are simply man-made religions that could potentially be true anyway. But the Abrahamic religions are clearly man-made religions that can't possibly be true due to the self-contradictory nature of their own claims.

So all religion is man-made. But some of the more mystical religions could also coincidentally happen to be true.

Keep in mind that the idea of Solipsism is a man-made idea. Yet Solipsism cannot be demonstrated to be false either. But this, of course, does not automatically make it true.

[marco]

Hitchens wrote: "religion is man-made".page-10 of the book "God is not Great".

Paarsurrey says : To say religion is man-made would be as wrong as to say that the Universe is man-made. Universe (the Work of God) and Word of God are put like a mirror against one another; they reflect one another as they are from the same source – the Creator God.

It will be considered totally out of place and sheer irrational if one says that the universe is man-made; the same way it will be sheer wrong to say that truthful-religion or the Word Revealed is man-made.

It would be nice if you could flesh out your statements, paarsurrey, and show us the paths that led you to surprising conclusions. Obviously the universe, of which man is a part, was not made by man. You suggest religion was not made by man, but I suspect you mean the abstract notion of truth, rather than religion. If you do mean religion then it is man-made; it is a set of beliefs, right or wrong, that BIND people together. This or that group thinks its beliefs are true.

If one is absolutely certain of one's faith system, ascribing its origins to God, there is no argument. Such a system is, for the upholder, given divinely. Unfortunately there's not a shred of evidence to suggest this is so, however strong one's convictions are. So here we don't have a argument, just an assertion that "Hey, I am right!" As millions shout over contradictory claims!

No, saying religion is the work of man is sensible; for it is, by definition. The comical thing is that many will agree with you yet still insist that your religion is false. People like to ride their own faulty bicycles.

[Bust Nak]

[Replying to post 2 by paarsurrey1]

To say "religion is man-made would be as wrong as to say that the Universe is man-made," would be as wrong as to say that the Universe is man-made.

It will be considered totally out of place and sheer irrational if one says that the universe is man-made; the same way it will be sheer wrong to say that any religion is truthful.

Is the above in any way convincing to you? If so then welcome to atheism. If not then why would you bring a variation of an unconvincing argument to a debate?

[benchwarmer]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

Regards

No, it's not so.

Clearly religion is man made. Even if there is a god, the codifying of religious dogma and spreading it from person to person is clearly man made since men do it. Unless you think Bibles drop from the sky, churches grow spontaneously out of the ground, or sermons emanate from thin air.

Many religions have been 'revealed'. You seem to think the one you grew up in or found as an adult is 'special'. Given this is the Science and Religion section, can we expect you to produce any evidence, or will you just be essentially preaching?

[paarsurrey1]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

Regards

No, it's not so.

Clearly religion is man made. Even if there is a god, the codifying of religious dogma and spreading it from person to person is clearly man made since men do it. Unless you think Bibles drop from the sky, churches grow spontaneously out of the ground, or sermons emanate from thin air.

Many religions have been 'revealed'. You seem to think the one you grew up in or found as an adult is 'special'. Given this is the Science and Religion section, can we expect you to produce any evidence, or will you just be essentially preaching?

Why doesn't one think that universe is man-made, please?

Regards

[Kenisaw]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

Regards

No, it's not so.

Clearly religion is man made. Even if there is a god, the codifying of religious dogma and spreading it from person to person is clearly man made since men do it. Unless you think Bibles drop from the sky, churches grow spontaneously out of the ground, or sermons emanate from thin air.

Many religions have been 'revealed'. You seem to think the one you grew up in or found as an adult is 'special'. Given this is the Science and Religion section, can we expect you to produce any evidence, or will you just be essentially preaching?

Why doesn't one think that universe is man-made, please?

Regards

It's pretty hard for the universe to be made by man if man wasn't around when the universe first started.

[benchwarmer]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

Regards

No, it's not so.

Clearly religion is man made. Even if there is a god, the codifying of religious dogma and spreading it from person to person is clearly man made since men do it. Unless you think Bibles drop from the sky, churches grow spontaneously out of the ground, or sermons emanate from thin air.

Many religions have been 'revealed'. You seem to think the one you grew up in or found as an adult is 'special'. Given this is the Science and Religion section, can we expect you to produce any evidence, or will you just be essentially preaching?

Why doesn't one think that universe is man-made, please?

Regards

Because we observe no men making universes and men are a recent product of the universe. The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old and modern humans only approx 200,000 years old.

We do however observe men making religions. All the time.

What should we go with? What we actually observe or 'take it on faith' that some particular set of tales is 'the truth'?

[paarsurrey1]

Revealed-Religion is "man-made" is like saying universe is "man-made", is it so?

Regards

No, it's not so.

Clearly religion is man made. Even if there is a god, the codifying of religious dogma and spreading it from person to person is clearly man made since men do it. Unless you think Bibles drop from the sky, churches grow spontaneously out of the ground, or sermons emanate from thin air.

Many religions have been 'revealed'. You seem to think the one you grew up in or found as an adult is 'special'. Given this is the Science and Religion section, can we expect you to produce any evidence, or will you just be essentially preaching?

Why doesn't one think that universe is man-made, please?

Regards

Because we observe no men making universes and men are a recent product of the universe. The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old and modern humans only approx 200,000 years old.

We do however observe men making religions. All the time.

What should we go with? What we actually observe or 'take it on faith' that some particular set of tales is 'the truth'?

How did one observe events happened 13.8 billion years ago, please?

Regards