Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?

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Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?

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In the thread "Genetics and Adam and Eve," DrNoGods claimed that the creation narrative in Genesis describes Adam and Eve as the first humans. He said that
  • Adam and Eve have an "explicit role in the biblical creation myth as being the first humans."
  • "Their explicit role as the first humans [is] described in Genesis."
  • "According to the biblical creation myth there was (...) only two" people originally.
  • "Genesis very clearly does describe Adam and Eve as the first humans that this God created."
I would appreciate DrNoGods substantiating this claim of his, for I don't agree that Genesis says this. I would like to see this explored further.

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John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when god made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.



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Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.
Nope. You said there were "humans."


In any case, I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks.


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Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:24 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.
Nope. You said there were "humans."


In any case, I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks.


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Some Devils are human. Have you not ever read that it is written:

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:43 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:24 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.
Nope. You said there were "humans."


In any case, I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks.


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Some Devils are human.
So what? Where is it said that these pr-A&E humans were devils?


jimtatertayte wrote: Have you not ever read that it is written:

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Yes I have. And I have also read that in John 6:70 it is written that this particular "one":

Is an "accuser"
Is an "adversary"
Is a "demon"
Has a "devil in his heart"

John 6:70

NTE
‘Well,’ replied Jesus, ‘I chose you twelve, didn’t I? And one of you is an accuser!’

CJB
Yeshua answered them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is an adversary.”

CEV
Jesus told his disciples, “I chose all twelve of you, but one of you is a demon!.”

PHILLIPS
Jesus replied, “Did I not choose you twelve—and one of you has the devil in his heart?”


So I have a choice, and I pick "accuser."



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Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:09 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:43 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:24 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.
Nope. You said there were "humans."


In any case, I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks.


.
Some Devils are human.
So what? Where is it said that these pr-A&E humans were devils?


jimtatertayte wrote: Have you not ever read that it is written:

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Yes I have. And I have also read that in John 6:70 it is written that this particular "one":

Is an "accuser"
Is an "adversary"
Is a "demon"
Has a "devil in his heart"

John 6:70

NTE
‘Well,’ replied Jesus, ‘I chose you twelve, didn’t I? And one of you is an accuser!’

CJB
Yeshua answered them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is an adversary.”

CEV
Jesus told his disciples, “I chose all twelve of you, but one of you is a demon!.”

PHILLIPS
Jesus replied, “Did I not choose you twelve—and one of you has the devil in his heart?”


So I have a choice, and I pick "accuser."



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So you do not believe that Judas was actually a devil?

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:02 am
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:09 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:43 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:24 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.
Nope. You said there were "humans."


In any case, I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks.


.
Some Devils are human.
So what? Where is it said that these pr-A&E humans were devils?


jimtatertayte wrote: Have you not ever read that it is written:

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Yes I have. And I have also read that in John 6:70 it is written that this particular "one":

Is an "accuser"
Is an "adversary"
Is a "demon"
Has a "devil in his heart"

John 6:70

NTE
‘Well,’ replied Jesus, ‘I chose you twelve, didn’t I? And one of you is an accuser!’

CJB
Yeshua answered them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is an adversary.”

CEV
Jesus told his disciples, “I chose all twelve of you, but one of you is a demon!.”

PHILLIPS
Jesus replied, “Did I not choose you twelve—and one of you has the devil in his heart?”


So I have a choice, and I pick "accuser."



.
So you do not believe that Judas was actually a devil?
No more so than I imagine you believe he wasn't a devil, but rather,

An "accuser," or
An "adversary," or
A "demon," or
Has a "devil in his heart"


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Miles wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:26 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:02 am
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:09 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:43 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:24 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Miles wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:42 am
John Bauer wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:19 am Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?
They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.
Nope. You said there were "humans."


In any case, I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks.


.
Some Devils are human.
So what? Where is it said that these pr-A&E humans were devils?


jimtatertayte wrote: Have you not ever read that it is written:

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Yes I have. And I have also read that in John 6:70 it is written that this particular "one":

Is an "accuser"
Is an "adversary"
Is a "demon"
Has a "devil in his heart"

John 6:70

NTE
‘Well,’ replied Jesus, ‘I chose you twelve, didn’t I? And one of you is an accuser!’

CJB
Yeshua answered them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is an adversary.”

CEV
Jesus told his disciples, “I chose all twelve of you, but one of you is a demon!.”

PHILLIPS
Jesus replied, “Did I not choose you twelve—and one of you has the devil in his heart?”


So I have a choice, and I pick "accuser."



.
So you do not believe that Judas was actually a devil?
No more so than I imagine you believe he wasn't a devil, but rather,

An "accuser," or
An "adversary," or
A "demon," or
Has a "devil in his heart"


.
Do you even know what is a devil?
What is a devil? Explain it to me.

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:06 pm
Do you even know what is a devil?
What is a devil? Explain it to me.
Given that you made the following claim:
jimtatertayte wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.
You need to explain what you meant by the word devils in this quote above. That and of course actually provide evidence to support this claim. Whether or not Judas was a devil is irrelevant to your claim. What others think of the meaning of word devil is also irrelevant. What matters is what you think it means and your ability to support your claim.


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