Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?

[John Bauer]

In the thread "Genetics and Adam and Eve," DrNoGods claimed that the creation narrative in Genesis describes Adam and Eve as the first humans. He said that

• Adam and Eve have an "explicit role in the biblical creation myth as being the first humans."
• "Their explicit role as the first humans [is] described in Genesis."
• "According to the biblical creation myth there was (...) only two" people originally.
• "Genesis very clearly does describe Adam and Eve as the first humans that this God created."

I would appreciate DrNoGods substantiating this claim of his, for I don't agree that Genesis says this. I would like to see this explored further.

[jimtatertayte]

Do you even know what is a devil?
What is a devil? Explain it to me.

Given that you made the following claim:

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

You need to explain what you meant by the word devils in this quote above. That and of course actually provide evidence to support this claim. Whether or not Judas was a devil is irrelevant to your claim. What others think of the meaning of word devil is also irrelevant. What matters is what you think it means and your ability to support your claim.


Tcg

I just took it for granted that it was common knowledge among your brethren
that they knew what is a devil. Especially since this is your world.

What is there to support? It is stated in your bible that Judas was a devil.
What part of that do you and them need me to explain and support for you?

Either you say that is not true or you believe it.
If you say that is not true then I will support it.

[Tcg]

What is there to support? It is stated in your bible that Judas was a devil.
What part of that do you and them need me to explain and support for you?

As was exceedingly clear in my last post, this is the claim that needs to be supported:

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

If you have no interest in supporting it, then the claim can be ignored.


Tcg

[jimtatertayte]

What is there to support? It is stated in your bible that Judas was a devil.
What part of that do you and them need me to explain and support for you?

As was exceedingly clear in my last post, this is the claim that needs to be supported:

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

If you have no interest in supporting it, then the claim can be ignored.


Tcg

Excellent, since you did not support your claim I will ignore it.

[Tcg]

What is there to support? It is stated in your bible that Judas was a devil.
What part of that do you and them need me to explain and support for you?

As was exceedingly clear in my last post, this is the claim that needs to be supported:

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

If you have no interest in supporting it, then the claim can be ignored.


Tcg

Excellent, since you did not support your claim I will ignore it.

Great. Your claim that devils and their offspring roamed the earth before Adam and Eve remains unsupported and can be safely ignored. It's a shame. I for one would have found your explanation fascinating.


Tcg

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to jimtatertayte in post #33]

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

I, too, would be interested to know what a "devil" is. Wikipedia has this description:

A devil is the personification of evil as it is conceived in many and various cultures and religious traditions. It is seen as the objectification of a hostile and destructive force. It is difficult to specify a particular definition of any complexity that will cover all of the traditions, beyond that it is a manifestation of evil. It is meaningful to consider the devil through the lens of each of the cultures and religions that have the devil as part of their mythos.

You seem to think a "devil" is an animal of some sort that can reproduce (and humans are of course animals so these "devils" could be humanlike I suppose?). Since the creation myth in the bible describes most animals having been "created" before humans, maybe you are referring to Tasmanian devils? They could well have been roaming the earth at the time, although the biblical creation story is pure fiction and so Adam and Eve didn't actually exist as real human beings. Maybe these devils you refer to are more fiction on your part?

[jimtatertayte]

What is there to support? It is stated in your bible that Judas was a devil.
What part of that do you and them need me to explain and support for you?

As was exceedingly clear in my last post, this is the claim that needs to be supported:

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

If you have no interest in supporting it, then the claim can be ignored.


Tcg

Excellent, since you did not support your claim I will ignore it.

Great. Your claim that devils and their offspring roamed the earth before Adam and Eve remains unsupported and can be safely ignored. It's a shame. I for one would have found your explanation fascinating.


Tcg

Are you asking me to prove to you that devils and their offspring were on earth
at the time of Adam and Eve?

[jimtatertayte]

[Replying to jimtatertayte in post #33]

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

I, too, would be interested to know what a "devil" is. Wikipedia has this description:

A devil is the personification of evil as it is conceived in many and various cultures and religious traditions. It is seen as the objectification of a hostile and destructive force. It is difficult to specify a particular definition of any complexity that will cover all of the traditions, beyond that it is a manifestation of evil. It is meaningful to consider the devil through the lens of each of the cultures and religions that have the devil as part of their mythos.

You seem to think a "devil" is an animal of some sort that can reproduce (and humans are of course animals so these "devils" could be humanlike I suppose?). Since the creation myth in the bible describes most animals having been "created" before humans, maybe you are referring to Tasmanian devils? They could well have been roaming the earth at the time, although the biblical creation story is pure fiction and so Adam and Eve didn't actually exist as real human beings. Maybe these devils you refer to are more fiction on your part?

Or maybe you do not know that you do not know.

[Miles]

Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?

They were the first humans created by God in His own Image.

So when God made Adam and Eve there were other humans roaming around? Interesting.

Devils, when God created Adam and Eve there were devils and their offspring roaming the earth.

Nope. You said there were "humans."


In any case, I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks.


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Some Devils are human.

So what? Where is it said that these pr-A&E humans were devils?

Have you not ever read that it is written:

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Yes I have. And I have also read that in John 6:70 it is written that this particular "one":

Is an "accuser"
Is an "adversary"
Is a "demon"
Has a "devil in his heart"

John 6:70

NTE
‘Well,’ replied Jesus, ‘I chose you twelve, didn’t I? And one of you is an accuser!’

CJB
Yeshua answered them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is an adversary.”

CEV
Jesus told his disciples, “I chose all twelve of you, but one of you is a demon!.”

PHILLIPS
Jesus replied, “Did I not choose you twelve—and one of you has the devil in his heart?”

So I have a choice, and I pick "accuser."



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So you do not believe that Judas was actually a devil?

No more so than I imagine you believe he wasn't a devil, but rather,

An "accuser," or
An "adversary," or
A "demon," or
Has a "devil in his heart"


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Do you even know what is a devil?
What is a devil? Explain it to me.

Sure. I go along with what The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica say:

"Devil, the spirit or power of evil. Though sometimes used for minor demonic spirits, the word devil generally refers to the prince of evil spirits and as such takes various forms in the religions of the world.

In the monotheistic Western religions, the Devil is viewed as a fallen angel who in pride has tried to usurp the position of the one and only God. In Judaism and, later, Christianity, the Devil was known as Satan. In the Old Testament, Satan is viewed as the prosecutor of Yahweh’s court, as in Job, chapters 1 and 2, but he is not regarded as an adversary of God. In postbiblical Judaism and in Christianity, however, Satan became known as the “prince of devils” and assumed various names: Beelzebub (“Lord of Flies”) in Matthew 12:24–27, often cited as Beelzebul (“Lord of Dung”), and Lucifer (the fallen angel of Light).

In Christian theology the Devil’s main task is that of tempting humans to reject the way of life and redemption and to accept the way of death and destruction. The leader of the angels who have fallen from heaven because of pride, Satan has as his main adversary in Christian thought, legend, and iconography the archangel Michael, leader of God’s heavenly hosts."

Now that I've answered your questions, how about addressing my request.

"I assume your information about there being devils comes from Genesis____:____ . Please fill in the blanks."

Or, if your info doesn't come from Genesis . . .whatever. let me know where it does.



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[Clownboat]

To jimtatertayte.

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments?
(Credit to brunumb)

[jimtatertayte]

To jimtatertayte.

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments?
(Credit to brunumb)

Somethings are the demonstration of the truth requiring
no burden of proof for the wise for it's purpose is hidden from
them that are stupid to which is it's primary objective, in the first place.